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Subject: Re: Elegance -- some suggestions for amarok first run
From: Ben K <benkloester () gmail ! com>
Date: 2010-07-30 15:10:56
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Myriam, why are you so resistant to constructive feedback?
Every time someone provides feedback, it seems that many of the Amarok devs
have a knee-jerk reaction to try and shut down the poster. In general I've
noticed a tendency of framing responses so as to avoid making any change not
already foreshadowed by amarok devs.
For the many, many Gnome Amarok users, Amarok is the only program prompting
for kwallet. I literally get prompted for a password every time I start
Amarok. I use last.fm, so I don't mind so much. For those that don't, the
preferred behaviour seems foolishly obvious: don't bother them with an
un-needed prompt.
I realise Amarok is a KDE app, but a focus on KDE shouldn't act as blinkers.
On Sat, Jul 31, 2010 at 12:19 AM, Stefan Grosse <singularitaet@gmx.net>wrote:
> Am 30.07.2010 11:38, schrieb Myriam Schweingruber:
>
> > Sorry, but then you don't understand kwallet or have not set it up
> > correctly: I use kwallet for all applications that require a password,
> > I set those to "Allow always", and only the first application that is
> > started when I log into KDE will start the wallet, which most of the
> > time is not Amarok. Once the wallet password is entered, I am never
> > prompted again for any password settings by other applications using
> > the wallet.. Also, you seem not to know that you can use kwallet
> > without a master password :)
>
> Well, I use Amarok within Gnome and although I use and like a lot of
> other KDE applications (k3b, kile, rkward, kaffeine, digikam) no other
> application needs kwallet.
>
> I think the problem is not kwallet itself but that last.fm is activated
> by default which triggers then the kwallet password question. So there
> are 2 obvious things: either deactivate last.fm by default or give a
> hint why kwallet pops up which is last.fm. Althouh I would call myself a
> more experienced Linux user I needed a while to find that out.
>
> Stefan
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Myriam, why are you so resistant to constructive feedback?<br><br> Every time someone \
provides feedback, it seems that many of the Amarok devs have a knee-jerk reaction to \
try and shut down the poster. In general I've noticed a tendency of framing \
responses so as to avoid making any change not already foreshadowed by amarok \
devs.<br> <br>For the many, many Gnome Amarok users, Amarok is the only program \
prompting for kwallet. I literally get prompted for a password every time I start \
Amarok. I use <a href="http://last.fm">last.fm</a>, so I don't mind so much. For \
those that don't, the preferred behaviour seems foolishly obvious: don't \
bother them with an un-needed prompt.<br> <br>I realise Amarok is a KDE app, but a \
focus on KDE shouldn't act as blinkers.<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sat, \
Jul 31, 2010 at 12:19 AM, Stefan Grosse <span dir="ltr"><<a \
href="mailto:singularitaet@gmx.net">singularitaet@gmx.net</a>></span> wrote:<br> \
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px \
solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">Am 30.07.2010 11:38, schrieb Myriam \
Schweingruber:<br> <div class="im"><br>
> Sorry, but then you don't understand kwallet or have not set it up<br>
> correctly: I use kwallet for all applications that require a password,<br>
> I set those to "Allow always", and only the first application that \
is<br> > started when I log into KDE will start the wallet, which most of the<br>
> time is not Amarok. Once the wallet password is entered, I am never<br>
> prompted again for any password settings by other applications using<br>
> the wallet.. Also, you seem not to know that you can use kwallet<br>
> without a master password :)<br>
<br>
</div>Well, I use Amarok within Gnome and although I use and like a lot of<br>
other KDE applications (k3b, kile, rkward, kaffeine, digikam) no other<br>
application needs kwallet.<br>
<br>
I think the problem is not kwallet itself but that <a href="http://last.fm" \
target="_blank">last.fm</a> is activated<br> by default which triggers then the \
kwallet password question. So there<br> are 2 obvious things: either deactivate <a \
href="http://last.fm" target="_blank">last.fm</a> by default or give a<br> hint why \
kwallet pops up which is <a href="http://last.fm" target="_blank">last.fm</a>. \
Althouh I would call myself a<br> more experienced Linux user I needed a while to \
find that out.<br> <font color="#888888"><br>
Stefan<br>
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