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Subject: Re: [Feedback] Amarok 2 UI/playlist feedback
From: "Hans Chen" <hanswchen () gmail ! com>
Date: 2007-07-31 21:14:16
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Hi,
Have you taken a look at the mockup in the article?
http://static.kdenews.org/content/the-road-to-kde-4/vol12_mockup.png
You see that the playlist will display more information than just the title
and artist.
(From the article you linked to)
"Amarok is in many ways inspired by XMMS, which in turn bears a lot of
resemblance to Winamp. Basically, it's a music player with a multi-column
playlist that displays information from tags contained within the media
files. Now, these multi-column playlists have not really changed much over
the last decade, except that different applications have added interesting
ways to sort, filter, and edit tags. Amarok is particularly good at sorting
and filtering, and half decent at tag editing (see
JuK<http://developer.kde.org/%7Ewheeler/juk.html>as an example of a
player with an amazing tag editor). But none of these
functions really require Amarok to present its playlist in a rigid column
format, except for traditional reasons. So as part of the UI reworking for
Amarok 2, the playlist is seeing a rebirth of sorts. While it still lists
Tracks, Titles, and other tags, it will no longer be constrained by the old
fashioned playlist column format."
If you want to know more about the Amarok 2 development, I suggest you to
have a look at the developers' blogs ( http://amarok.kde.org/blog ). For
example, here's a sneak preview of the playlist:
http://amarok.kde.org/blog/archives/456-Sneak-peak,-pretty-playlist,-raw-plasma.html
With that said, I hope someone will give you a better explanation.
With best regards,
Hans
On 7/31/07, Leo Franchi <lfranchi@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> On 7/31/07, 4bugzilla@gmail.com <4bugzilla@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > Serhiy sent a message using the contact form at
> > http://amarok.kde.org/en/contact.
> >
> > The main source of information about Amarok 2 Development I was able to
> > find is the following articale
> > http://dot.kde.org/1173761811/
> > It gives some guidelines how interface of Amarok 2 will look. From this
> > article:
> > --
> > You may first wonder "Where is the playlist?" as I and a few of my peers
> >
> > on IRC initially wondered, but if you look closely, the list on the
> > right
> > is actually the playlist, only it's broken free from its old format.
> > --
> > And I wan to ask you the same question. Where is the playlist? As far as
> > I
> > can see from the article "playlist" it is what we can see on the right
> > of
> > http://static.kdenews.org/content/the-road-to-kde-4/vol12_4x_amarok.png
> > image. I mean that screen is split into 3 parts where on the middle is
> > former "context view" and "playlist" is what is right to the context
> > view.
> >
> > Is this correct?
> >
> > If so I want to ask you some questions. Will I be able to make Amarok 2
> > look like
> > http://static.kdenews.org/content/the-road-to-kde-4/vol12_356_amarok.png
> > ? I ask this because on Amarok 1.4.5 screenshot we can see what people
> > call playlist. A list with not just list of pairs Title/Artist but a
> > list
> > with all information I want to see and with possibility to sort, filter
> > do
> > some other staff and exclude some tracks from playing (via checkbox)
> > (But I
> > guess this feature is missing)
> >
> > The other question will I be able to hide "context view" which is in the
> > middle of the screen? I mean it is nice but it takes to much space on
> > the
> > screen but gives nothing useful (from my point of view).
>
>
> you will be able to hide the context view, if you wish. without it, you won't be \
> able to see much of the context data that is displayed there, such as info about \
> the current track, lyrics, wikipedia, and more.
> but if you so wish, you do have that option.
>
> Are you planning to implement possibility to exclude some tracks from
> > playing via checkbox. Like this is implemented in iTunes? It is very
> > useful
> > because you can keep some tracks in playlist and in the same time mark
> > that
> > they will not be played. This prevents users from editing playlist every
> > time you just dont want some song was played in this list.
> >
> > And from my point of view it possible to clean up Amarok's UI and make
> > it
> > more simple and clear. I propose to have 3 different views for playlist.
> > 1
> > is row list which is enhanced table view similar to
> > http://static.kdenews.org/content/the-road-to-kde-4/vol12_356_amarok.png
> >
> > but without context view. 2nd view can be very similar to the current
> > context view but display all tracks grouped by albums or artists. And
> > the
> > third one the cover flow view similer to iTunes (I have read that
> > someone
> > is already working to implement this in Amarok). I think that it is
> > possible to make these views different tabs in the playlist window so
> > that
> > it was very easy to switch between them.
> >
> > Other possible enhancement could be to reorganize navigation by the
> > usage
> > of tree instead of current buttons on the left side of the screen.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Serhiy
> > _______________________________________________
> > Amarok mailing list
> > Amarok@kde.org
> > https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/amarok
> >
>
>
>
> --
> ______________________________________________________
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> 4305 Charlemagne Ct lfranchi@gmail.com
> Austin cell: (650) 704 3680
> TX, USA home: (650) 329 0125
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Hi,<br><br>Have you taken a look at the mockup in the article? <a \
href="http://static.kdenews.org/content/the-road-to-kde-4/vol12_mockup.png">http://static.kdenews.org/content/the-road-to-kde-4/vol12_mockup.png</a><br>You \
see that the playlist will display more information than just the title and artist. \
<br><br>(From the article you linked to)<br>"Amarok is in many ways inspired by \
XMMS, which in turn bears a lot of resemblance to Winamp. Basically, it's a music \
player with a multi-column playlist that displays information from tags contained
within the media files. Now, these multi-column playlists have not
really changed much over the last decade, except that different
applications have added interesting ways to sort, filter, and edit
tags. Amarok is particularly good at sorting and filtering, and half
decent at tag editing (see <a \
href="http://developer.kde.org/%7Ewheeler/juk.html">JuK</a> as an example of a player \
with an amazing tag editor). But none of these functions really require Amarok to \
present its playlist in a rigid column format, except for traditional reasons. So as \
part of the UI reworking for Amarok 2, the playlist is seeing a rebirth of sorts.
While it still lists Tracks, Titles, and other tags, it will no longer
be constrained by the old fashioned playlist column format."<br><br>If you want \
to know more about the Amarok 2 development, I suggest you to have a look at the \
developers' blogs ( <a href="http://amarok.kde.org/blog"> \
http://amarok.kde.org/blog</a> ). For example, here's a sneak preview of the \
playlist: <a href="http://amarok.kde.org/blog/archives/456-Sneak-peak,-pretty-playlist \
,-raw-plasma.html">http://amarok.kde.org/blog/archives/456-Sneak-peak,-pretty-playlist,-raw-plasma.html
</a><br><br>With that said, I hope someone will give you a better \
explanation.<br><br>With best regards,<br>Hans<br><br><br><div><span \
class="gmail_quote">On 7/31/07, <b class="gmail_sendername">Leo Franchi</b> <<a \
href="mailto:lfranchi@gmail.com"> lfranchi@gmail.com</a>> wrote:</span><blockquote \
class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt \
0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;"><div><span class="e" id="q_1141d18ae8c9896e_0"><span \
class="gmail_quote"> On 7/31/07, <b class="gmail_sendername"><a \
href="mailto:4bugzilla@gmail.com" target="_blank" onclick="return \
top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">4bugzilla@gmail.com</a></b> <<a \
href="mailto:4bugzilla@gmail.com" target="_blank" onclick="return \
top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)"> 4bugzilla@gmail.com</a>> \
wrote:</span><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, \
204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;"> Serhiy sent a message \
using the contact form at<br><a href="http://amarok.kde.org/en/contact" \
target="_blank" onclick="return \
top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">http://amarok.kde.org/en/contact</a>.<br><br>The \
main source of information about Amarok 2 Development I was able to <br>find is the \
following articale <br><a href="http://dot.kde.org/1173761811/" target="_blank" \
onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">http://dot.kde.org/1173761811/</a><br>It \
gives some guidelines how interface of Amarok 2 will look. From this \
<br>article:<br>--<br>You may first wonder "Where is the playlist?" as I \
and a few of my peers <br>on IRC initially wondered, but if you look closely, the \
list on the right<br>is actually the playlist, only it's broken free from its old \
format.<br>--<br>And I wan to ask you the same question. Where is the playlist? As \
far as I <br>can see from the article "playlist" it is what we can see on \
the right of<br><a href="http://static.kdenews.org/content/the-road-to-kde-4/vol12_4x_amarok.png" \
target="_blank" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)"> \
http://static.kdenews.org/content/the-road-to-kde-4/vol12_4x_amarok.png \
</a><br>image. I mean that screen is split into 3 parts where on the middle \
is<br>former "context view" and "playlist" is what is right to \
the context view.<br><br>Is this correct?<br><br>If so I want to ask you some \
questions. Will I be able to make Amarok 2 <br>look like<br><a \
href="http://static.kdenews.org/content/the-road-to-kde-4/vol12_356_amarok.png" \
target="_blank" onclick="return \
top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">http://static.kdenews.org/content/the-road-to-kde-4/vol12_356_amarok.png
</a><br>? I ask this because on Amarok 1.4.5 screenshot we can see what people
<br>call playlist. A list with not just list of pairs Title/Artist but a list<br>with \
all information I want to see and with possibility to sort, filter do<br>some other \
staff and exclude some tracks from playing (via checkbox) (But I <br>guess this \
feature is missing)<br><br>The other question will I be able to hide "context \
view" which is in the<br>middle of the screen? I mean it is nice but it takes to \
much space on the<br>screen but gives nothing useful (from my point of view). \
</blockquote></span></div><div><br>you will be able to \
hide the context view, if you wish. without it \
, you won't be able to see much of th \
e context data that is displayed there, such a \
s info about the current track, lyrics, wikipedia, and more.
<br>but if you so wish, you do have that option. </div><div><span \
class="e" id="q_1141d18ae8c9896e_2"><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" \
style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; \
padding-left: 1ex;">
Are you planning to implement possibility to exclude some tracks from<br>playing via \
checkbox. Like this is implemented in iTunes? It is very useful<br>because you can \
keep some tracks in playlist and in the same time mark that <br>they will not be \
played. This prevents users from editing playlist every<br>time you just dont want \
some song was played in this list.<br><br>And from my point of view it possible to \
clean up Amarok's UI and make it <br>more simple and clear. I propose to have 3 \
different views for playlist. 1<br>is row list which is enhanced table view similar \
to<br><a href="http://static.kdenews.org/content/the-road-to-kde-4/vol12_356_amarok.png" \
target="_blank" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)"> \
http://static.kdenews.org/content/the-road-to-kde-4/vol12_356_amarok.png </a><br>but \
without context view. 2nd view can be very similar to the current<br>context view but \
display all tracks grouped by albums or artists. And the<br>third one the cover flow \
view similer to iTunes (I have read that someone <br>is already working to implement \
this in Amarok). I think that it is<br>possible to make these views different tabs in \
the playlist window so that<br>it was very easy to switch between them.<br><br>Other \
possible enhancement could be to reorganize navigation by the usage <br>of tree \
instead of current buttons on the left side of the \
screen.<br><br>Thanks,<br>Serhiy<br>_______________________________________________<br>Amarok \
mailing list<br><a href="mailto:Amarok@kde.org" target="_blank" onclick="return \
top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)"> Amarok@kde.org</a>
<br><a href="https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/amarok" target="_blank" \
onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/amarok</a><br></blockquote><br><br \
clear="all"><br></span> </div><span class="sg">-- \
<br>______________________________________________________<br>Leo \
Franchi
<a href="mailto:angel666@myrealbox.com" target="_blank" onclick="return \
top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">angel666@myrealbox.com</a><br>4305 Charlemagne \
Ct <a \
href="mailto:lfranchi@gmail.com" target="_blank" onclick="return \
top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)"> lfranchi@gmail.com</a> \
<br>Austin &nbs \
p; \
cell: (650) 704 3680<br> TX, \
USA   \
; home: \
(650) 329 0125 </span><br>_______________________________________________<br>Amarok \
mailing list<br><a onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)" \
href="mailto:Amarok@kde.org">Amarok@kde.org</a><br><a onclick="return \
top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)" \
href="https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/amarok" target="_blank"> \
https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/amarok</a><br><br></blockquote></div><br>
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Amarok@kde.org
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