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Subject:    RE: Quantum superloader 3 and HPE StoreEver MSL3040 experiences
From:       David Simpson <SimpsonD4 () cardiff ! ac ! uk>
Date:       2020-12-21 10:47:16
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Thanks for the info. 

I think we have a Dell PowerEdge R730xd ear-marked for this, it has a reasonable spec \
and will get repurposed to do the job, but we'll need to buy a SAS card to connect it \
up.

The Overland T24 seems to be quite good on paper at least also (though not many \
stockists here). This looks to be a bit of a halfway between the Superloader 3 and \
the aforementioned HPE library. It appears that on the Overland T24 the drive can be \
upgraded later on to a newer LTO generation drive. Not sure that's possible on the \
Superloader 3 - I think those are bought as they are and aren't upgradable in future \
(with new LOT tech drives when those are available).

The MTX compatibility list (below) appears to be long gone, is there any other source \
of such information? Or are things generally assumed to just work (TM) these days?

http://mtx.opensource-sw.net/compatibility.php


thanks
David

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David Simpson - Senior Systems Engineer
ARCCA, Redwood Building,
King Edward VII Avenue,
Cardiff, CF10 3NB                                                                     \


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ARCCA, Adeilad Redwood,
King Edward VII Avenue,
Caerdydd, CF10 3NB

simpsond4@cardiff.ac.uk
+44 29208 74657

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-----Original Message-----
From: Debra S Baddorf <baddorf@fnal.gov> 
Sent: 18 December 2020 18:54
To: David Simpson <SimpsonD4@cardiff.ac.uk>
Cc: Debra S Baddorf <baddorf@fnal.gov>; amanda-users@amanda.org
Subject: Re: Quantum superloader 3 and HPE StoreEver MSL3040 experiences

The MSL4048 included tape “drawers” (magazines, I guess).
Yes, you buy a drive.
You need cables to your computer, and of course tapes.
We dealt with a rep, who was also concerned that the computer and card was a fast \
enough speed, to drive the tape unit well.

But I think that’s all you need.  Since the 3040 is a different model,  talking to a \
rep wouldn’t hurt ...  though they don’t always research things as well as you will.

Deb Baddorf
waving to my cousin in Wales

> On Dec 18, 2020, at 12:25 PM, David Simpson <SimpsonD4@cardiff.ac.uk> wrote:
> 
> With the HPE StoreEver MSL3040, do you need to buy anything to make the 40 slots \
> usable in the Base Library module? Any magazine or cartridge needed(?). 
> If I'm interpreting correctly, you just need to buy the Base Library unit + a drive \
> to fit to it and nothing else.  
> thanks
> David
> From: Debra S Baddorf <baddorf@fnal.gov>
> Sent: 17 December 2020 20:10
> To: David Simpson <SimpsonD4@cardiff.ac.uk>
> Cc: Debra S Baddorf <baddorf@fnal.gov>; amanda-users@amanda.org 
> <amanda-users@amanda.org>
> Subject: Re: Quantum superloader 3 and HPE StoreEver MSL3040 
> experiences
> 
> External email to Cardiff University - Take care when replying/opening attachments \
> or links. Nid ebost mewnol o Brifysgol Caerdydd yw hwn - Cymerwch ofal wrth \
> ateb/agor atodiadau neu ddolenni. 
> 
> 
> We have the HP StorEver  MSL4048  tape library.  It is sold with 40 tape slots, and \
> you separately choose your tape drive (yeah, half height). We’ve loved it.   5 \
> years old now.  We had a weird problem that never found a fix, merely a work-around \
> …. 
> A similar  (another brand ) MSL4048 that I also run, wearing another department’s \
> hat has always worked great.   It’s even older yet. They replaced older tape drives \
> (LTO3?)  with LTO4  a few years back, and the library  still works nicely. Its age \
> is showing with some mis-reads by the barcode reader — but I print my own labels, \
> so half of that could be my fault. 
> Amanda likes them just fine.  I read the comments in a bunch of amanda’s files, and \
> tested the tape library first with mtx  and  raw tape commands.   Then tested \
> amanda’s   tape move commands  (amtape <config>  slot NN, amtape <config>  slot \
> next,   etc)   And then tested a small amanda setup.   Now I have 34 nodes, and \
> perhaps 100 DLEs. 
> Deb Baddorf
> Fermilab
> 
> > On Dec 17, 2020, at 8:33 AM, David Simpson <SimpsonD4@cardiff.ac.uk> wrote:
> > 
> > Hi all,
> > 
> > Quantum Superloader 3 and HPE StoreEver MSL3040
> > 
> > -----------
> > 
> > I just wondered if anyone had experience of either of these?
> > 
> > I used a Quantum Superloader many moons ago (~5 years ago) and found it to be \
> > decent. Though I’m not sure if the latest model can do LTO8 (which I’m asking \
> > Quantum about). 
> > The HPE MSL3040 also looks good – would be interested to hear about that if \
> > anyone has one. If I’m reading correctly the base module comes with 40 slots \
> > which seems surprising at the price. Though, I think it requires the half height \
> > tapes. 
> > regards
> > David
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > -------------
> > David Simpson - Senior Systems Engineer ARCCA, Redwood Building, 
> > King Edward VII Avenue, Cardiff, CF10 3NB
> > 
> > David Simpson - peiriannydd uwch systemau ARCCA, Adeilad Redwood, 
> > King Edward VII Avenue, Caerdydd, CF10 3NB
> > 
> > simpsond4@cardiff.ac.uk
> > +44 29208 74657
> > 
> > COVID-19 Cardiff University is currently under remote work 
> > restrictions. Our staff are continuing normal work schedules, but 
> > responses may be slower than usual.  We appreciate your patience 
> > during this unprecedented time
> > 
> > COVID-19 Ar hyn o bryd mae Prifysgol Caerdydd o dan gyfyngiadau gweithio o bell.  \
> > Mae ein staff yn parhau ag amserlenni gwaith arferol, ond gall ymatebion fod yn \
> > arafach na'r arfer. Rydym yn gwerthfawrogi eich amynedd yn ystod yr amser \
> > digynsail hwn.


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