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List:       alsa-devel
Subject:    [alsa-devel] bug
From:       maarten () resorama ! com (Maarten de Boer)
Date:       2015-03-31 11:05:53
Message-ID: 677D3730-B814-4E64-8746-12FE30C13C23 () resorama ! com
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Hi,

As I tried to explain, this is not specific for alsamixergui, and it is not a bug, as \
it is a hardware problem. There is no way for the software to know what would be \
these ?hazardous? levels, as this is hardware specific. And again, alsamixergui is \
just a graphical frontend. The command line alsamixer does the same thing.

Maarten

On 31 Mar 2015, at 12:49, Nikita N. <nikitan at operamail.com> wrote:

> Dear Maarten de Boer,
> as you read from many voices here, your software is verified can damage
> the speakers, if not used somehow correctly.
> The definition of correctly is still to us unknown, nor you are giving
> us any hope in that.
> We were hoping in some form of amend from yourself, about the dangerous
> software you produced and distributed to public.
> We were hoping in some form of bug fix or any professional approach to
> solving that issue.
> We were hoping at least in a simple warning popping up from your tool,
> when user sets any "hazardous" levels.
> We were hoping at least-least in a warning popping up from your tool at
> runtime, something like "Warning: improper settings for this level, this
> level and this might result in damages to your audio devices".
> But, we only see a nice turnaround "There is not much that I can add".
> Your program does not respect the minimum requirement for a software to
> be published, such as being "reasonably" bug free.
> As for "bug" is intended a software which is limited in creating
> software problems.
> While instead, your tool expands to a whole new, and more dangerous
> level - hardware damage.
> Hence your software, as is, doesn't respect our Debian/Ubuntu
> philosophy.
> So, at this point "There is not much that" we can add.
> We also wish you "Good luck with that."
> 
> On Tue, Mar 31, 2015, at 03:26 AM, Maarten de Boer wrote:
> > Hello,
> > 
> > I am the author of alsamixergui. I am not actively maintaining
> > alsamixergui anymore (and haven?t been for years). It is pretty much
> > coincidence that I saw this mail thread; a slightly more informative
> > subject would have helped.
> > 
> > There is not much that I can add to this thread (thanks everyone for your
> > replies), but in short:
> > 
> > - alsamixergui is just a graphical frontend, and exposes the mixer
> > capabilities of the sound card in the same way alsamixer, amixer or any
> > other alsa mixer does, so this is not alsamixergui specific. (strongly
> > based on the alsamixer code (verbatim) with fltk gui code added to it.).
> > 
> > - this is not a software problem, this is a hardware problem. The user
> > adjusts the mixer to cause a feedback between speaker and internal
> > microphone, and leaves this running for >30 seconds, and his hardware
> > can?t deal with it. It is probably not even operating system specific.
> > 
> > Finally, I really don?t like the tone you use, Nikita, particularly your
> > talk of ?exposing the individuals guilty? and your accusations of
> > secrecy. And "expose clearly to the public that tool as a virus/malware,
> > and inform the antivirus authorities about it.?, really? Good luck with
> > that.
> > 
> > If you want to blacklist alsamixergui from your distro, please go ahead,
> > but don?t forget to blacklist alsamixer and amixer too, as well as any
> > other alsa mixer front ends.
> > 
> > Maarten
> > 
> > 
> > On 31 Mar 2015, at 11:14, Ricard Wanderlof <ricard.wanderlof at axis.com>
> > wrote:
> > 
> > > 
> > > On Tue, 31 Mar 2015, Nikita N. wrote:
> > > 
> > > > > alsamixergui is not created by the ALSA 
> > > > > project, so this mailing list is the wrong place to look if none other 
> > > > > than for that particular reason.
> > > > Sure, we would be very grateful if you could point that out, so we can
> > > > contact the individual who programmed this tool
> > > > Unless it's not a secret or there is smtng to hide.
> > > 
> > > I have no idea who wrote it, Clemens posted a link but at to me it seems 
> > > dead, there should be something in the source code (perhaps that's where 
> > > he got it frome?). Could very well be that it was written by someone who 
> > > has since moved on to other things so that any links or email adresses are 
> > > outdated. It's not necessarily a secret, it could just be unknown at this 
> > > point, and if the person who wrote it is not actively maintaining it any 
> > > more there's probably little to be gained from contacting him.
> > > 
> > > /Ricard
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