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Subject: Re: [Alpine-info] multiple mailbox locations?
From: "Patrick J. Collins" <patrick () collinatorstudios ! com>
Date: 2022-06-26 20:24:24
Message-ID: 74181cc-aa22-bc89-7524-ef60a5e1439 () collinatorstudios ! com
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I tried replying a few times, but seems like something in my message is
confusing the mailing list.. So here is a link to my message:
https://collinatorstudios.com/www/alpine.txt
Patrick J. Collins
https://collinatorstudios.com
On Sat, 25 Jun 2022, alpine-info-bounces@mailman12.u.washington.edu wrote:
> The results of your email command are provided below. Attached is your
> original message.
>
> - Results:
> Ignoring non-text/plain MIME parts
>
> - Unprocessed:
> > the lines begin with a TAB. So it'd be something like:
> > Should you have a "/" after the "patrick", e.g.,
> > "/Users/patrick/Documents/mail/patrick/[]"?
> Aha.. Yes, both of those things were needed.
> However, now I guess my problem is the format, which is kind of confusing to
> me... So I mentioned "dot files" because that's how all of my folders were
> stored on the remote server, which as far as I know is what alpine created
> during use. that mail folder basically has two non-invisible files:
> -rw-r----- 1 patrick staff 4104 Jun 21 11:09 dovecot.mailbox.log.2
> -rw------- 1 patrick staff 5089 Jun 21 11:12 maildirsize
> and then all of my folders are dot files (invisible):
> drwxr-x--x 12 patrick staff 384 Jun 21 11:37 .sent-mail-sep-2012
> drwxr-x--x 11 patrick staff 352 Jun 21 11:16 .sent-mail-sep-2013
> drwxr-x--x 10 patrick staff 320 Jun 21 11:26 .sent-mail-sep-2014
> drwxr-x--x 10 patrick staff 320 Jun 21 11:19 .sent-mail-sep-2016
> drwxr-x--x 10 patrick staff 320 Jun 21 11:19 .sent-mail-sep-2017
> drwxr-x--x 10 patrick staff 320 Jun 21 11:17 .sent-mail-sep-2018
>
> - Ignored:
> ... etc
>
> Within one of those directories, .sent-mail-sep-2018 for example, has the
> following contents:
>
> ~/Documents/mail/patrick/.sent-mail-sep-2018>tree .
> .
> ??? cur
> ??? ??? 1589265452.M997649P9066.sh11.svwh.net,S=2377,W=2452:2,S
> ??? ??? 1589265453.M163519P9066.sh11.svwh.net,S=931,W=948:2,S
> ??? ??? 1589265453.M347635P9066.sh11.svwh.net,S=508,W=523:2,
> ??? ??? 1589265453.M467958P9066.sh11.svwh.net,S=831,W=852:2,S
> ??? ??? 1589265453.M599150P9066.sh11.svwh.net,S=841,W=864:2,S
> ??? ??? 1589265453.M782238P9066.sh11.svwh.net,S=5114,W=5190:2,
> ??? ??? 1589265453.M968419P9066.sh11.svwh.net,S=5107,W=5175:2,
> ??? ??? 1589265454.M237423P9066.sh11.svwh.net,S=1029,W=1057:2,S
> ??? ??? 1589265454.M557229P9066.sh11.svwh.net,S=442,W=456:2,
> ??? ??? 1589265454.M763921P9066.sh11.svwh.net,S=2417,W=2467:2,S
> ??? ??? 1589265454.M921825P9066.sh11.svwh.net,S=458,W=474:2,
> ??? ??? 1589265455.M130583P9066.sh11.svwh.net,S=1511,W=1544:2,S
> ??? ??? 1589265455.M341382P9066.sh11.svwh.net,S=984,W=1010:2,S
> ??? ??? 1589265456.M494800P9066.sh11.svwh.net,S=692473,W=703841:2,
> ??? ??? 1589265457.M582095P9066.sh11.svwh.net,S=459,W=473:2,
> ??? ??? 1589265457.M775470P9066.sh11.svwh.net,S=505,W=520:2,
> ??? ??? 1589265457.M932204P9066.sh11.svwh.net,S=774,W=797:2,S
> ??? ??? 1589265458.M199355P9066.sh11.svwh.net,S=496,W=514:2,S
> ??? ??? 1589265458.M442489P9066.sh11.svwh.net,S=440,W=454:2,
> ??? ??? 1589265458.M70102P9066.sh11.svwh.net,S=1207,W=1230:2,S
> ??? ??? 1589265458.M781451P9066.sh11.svwh.net,S=2542,W=2598:2,RSa
> ??? ??? 1589265459.M349696P9066.sh11.svwh.net,S=423,W=437:2,
> ??? ??? 1589265459.M528535P9066.sh11.svwh.net,S=2524,W=2580:2,RS
> ??? ??? 1589265459.M711271P9066.sh11.svwh.net,S=642,W=663:2,
> ??? ??? 1589265459.M94223P9066.sh11.svwh.net,S=3052,W=3121:2,S
> ??? ??? 1589265460.M627294P9066.sh11.svwh.net,S=708477,W=720107:2,
> ??? ??? 1589265461.M386569P9066.sh11.svwh.net,S=936,W=961:2,
> ??? ??? 1589265461.M651887P9066.sh11.svwh.net,S=1015,W=1037:2,S
> ??? ??? 1589265462.M670360P9066.sh11.svwh.net,S=1134010,W=1152620:2,
> ??? ??? 1589265463.M689693P9066.sh11.svwh.net,S=434,W=448:2,S
> ??? dovecot-keywords
> ??? dovecot-uidlist
> ??? dovecot.index.cache
> ??? dovecot.index.log
> ??? maildirfolder
> ??? new
> ??? tmp
>
> ....
>
> regarding formats as you previously mentioned, I don't know ANYTHING about mail
> formats mbox vs maildir... But I see that the files under "cur" are my actual
> messages and they apparently are gzipped.. So I can for example do:
>
> ~/Documents/mail/patrick/.sent-mail-sep-2018/cur>cat \
> "1589265461.M651887P9066.sh11.svwh.net,S=1015,W=1037:2,S" | gunzip Date: Thu, 27 \
> Sep 2018 21:56:28 -0700 (PDT) From: "Patrick J. Collins" \
> <patrick@collinatorstudios.com> To: <someone>
> Subject: Re: <a subject>
> In-Reply-To: <ECB66D9C-F0B7-40EA-82A1-0A64E4020F32@bushidowellness.com>
> Message-ID: <alpine.OSX.2.11.1809272154410.15107@darius.local>
> References: <F14D5D4A-8B5C-4F19-AB20-F5A2F8C898F9@gmail.com> \
> <alpine.OSX.2.11.1809271949100.15107@darius.local> \
> <ECB66D9C-F0B7-40EA-82A1-0A64E4020F32@bushidowellness.com> User-Agent: Alpine 2.11 \
> (OSX 23 2013-08-11) MIME-Version: 1.0
> Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII
>
> <message contents>
>
> ... Anyway, so with the <TAB>Local /Users/patrick/Documents/mail/patrick/[]
> under folder-collections
>
> Alpine now shows:
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Folder-Collection <Incoming-Folders>
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> INBOX
>
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Folder-Collection <Mail>
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> [Select Here to See Expanded List]
>
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Folder-Collection <Local>
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> [Select Here to See Expanded List]
>
> ... And if I expand under Local there, I see only those two visible files:
>
> dovecot.mailbox.log.2 maildirsize
>
> If I rename one of my folders from a dotfile, say .sent-mail-sep-2018 to
> sent-mail-sep-2018, then that as well shows up, and if I select it, I see in
> Alpine:
>
> Local folders in /Users/patrick/Documents/mail/patrick/
> Dir: sent-mail-sep-2018/
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> cur/ dovecot-keywords dovecot-uidlist dovecot.index.cache \
> dovecot.index.log maildirfolder new/ tmp/
>
> and if I select cur...
> Local folders in /Users/patrick/Documents/mail/patrick/
> Dir: sent-mail-sep-2018/cur/
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> 1589265452.M997649P9066.sh11.svwh.net,S=2377,W=2452:2,S \
> 1589265453.M163519P9066.sh11.svwh.net,S=931,W=948:2,S \
> 1589265453.M347635P9066.sh11.svwh.net,S=508,W=523:2, \
> 1589265453.M467958P9066.sh11.svwh.net,S=831,W=852:2,S \
> 1589265453.M599150P9066.sh11.svwh.net,S=841,W=864:2,S \
> 1589265453.M782238P9066.sh11.svwh.net,S=5114,W=5190:2, \
> 1589265453.M968419P9066.sh11.svwh.net,S=5107,W=5175:2, \
> 1589265454.M237423P9066.sh11.svwh.net,S=1029,W=1057:2,S \
> 1589265454.M557229P9066.sh11.svwh.net,S=442,W=456:2, \
> 1589265454.M763921P9066.sh11.svwh.net,S=2417,W=2467:2,S \
> 1589265454.M921825P9066.sh11.svwh.net,S=458,W=474:2, \
> 1589265455.M130583P9066.sh11.svwh.net,S=1511,W=1544:2,S \
> 1589265455.M341382P9066.sh11.svwh.net,S=984,W=1010:2,S \
> 1589265456.M494800P9066.sh11.svwh.net,S=692473,W=703841:2, \
> 1589265457.M582095P9066.sh11.svwh.net,S=459,W=473:2, \
> 1589265457.M775470P9066.sh11.svwh.net,S=505,W=520:2, \
> 1589265457.M932204P9066.sh11.svwh.net,S=774,W=797:2,S \
> 1589265458.M199355P9066.sh11.svwh.net,S=496,W=514:2,S \
> 1589265458.M442489P9066.sh11.svwh.net,S=440,W=454:2, \
> 1589265458.M70102P9066.sh11.svwh.net,S=1207,W=1230:2,S \
> 1589265458.M781451P9066.sh11.svwh.net,S=2542,W=2598:2,RSa \
> 1589265459.M349696P9066.sh11.svwh.net,S=423,W=437:2, \
> 1589265459.M528535P9066.sh11.svwh.net,S=2524,W=2580:2,RS \
> 1589265459.M711271P9066.sh11.svwh.net,S=642,W=663:2, \
> 1589265459.M94223P9066.sh11.svwh.net,S=3052,W=3121:2,S \
> 1589265460.M627294P9066.sh11.svwh.net,S=708477,W=720107:2, \
> 1589265461.M386569P9066.sh11.svwh.net,S=936,W=961:2, \
> 1589265461.M651887P9066.sh11.svwh.net,S=1015,W=1037:2,S \
> 1589265462.M670360P9066.sh11.svwh.net,S=1134010,W=1152620:2, \
> 1589265463.M689693P9066.sh11.svwh.net,S=434,W=448:2,S
> And selecting any of those results in an unviewable message, such as:
>
> Date: Sat, 25 Jun 2022 18:48:57
> From: patrick@collinatorstudios.com
> Subject: /Users/patrick/Documents/mail/patrick/sent-mail-sep-2018/cur/1589265452.M997649P9066.sh11.svwh.net,S=2377,W=2452:2,S
> Parts/Attachments:
> 1 OK 1.3 KB Application
> ----------------------------------------
>
>
>
> [ Part 1, Application/OCTET-STREAM (Name: \
> "1589265452.M997649P9066.sh11.svwh.net,S=2377,W=2452:2,S") 1.3 KB. ] [ Not Shown. \
> Use the "V" command to view or save this part. ]
> where if I view this, it just opens in my external text editor the unreadable
> gzipped contents...
>
> ...........
>
> So.. my confusion now is, why/how is Alpine able to display these gzipped
> messages remotely -- but not locally?
>
> Like I said, I know nothing about mail formats, so I don't even know how I
> would tell Alpine to use mbox instead of maildir, what the benefit of that
> would be, but I don't see anything in alpine's config options or the .pinerc
> file about mbox or maildir, so I don't know how or why it is using maildir
> (perhaps this is something my webhost company has chosen on my behalf?)
>
> Anyway, I am kind of at a loss as to what I should be doing to make these
> messages viewable in Alpine. Unless I just should gunzip these directories as
> part of my process of pulling archival folders off of the remote server?
>
> Any advice or thoughts about this would be greatly appreciated!
>
> Patrick J. Collins
> https://collinatorstudios.com
>
>
> - Done.
>
>
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