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Subject:    RE: [Alpine-info] re-alpine and alpine
From:       "Janice C. Granberg" <janicecg () uw ! edu>
Date:       2010-09-10 21:55:46
Message-ID: BF677F08A5EF984989F1884264A0D51E0615F24A76 () sdc-mbx-01 ! exchange ! washington ! edu
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The University of Washington regrets that we no longer have resources available to \
continue development of Alpine, but we encourage others to carry on.  As you know, \
Alpine is released under the Apache II license, so there should be no impediments to \
others doing so. Note that, unlike with Pine, we deliberately chose not to trademark \
the "Alpine" name.  As such, the UW has no objection to the name "Alpine" being used \
in perpetuity for the continuation of the project.

We will also continue to host the "Alpine-info" Mailman list for use in communicating \
about the usage and development of Alpine.

Thanks, Janice

Janice Granberg
Manager, Applications Engineering
UW Information Technology
University of Washington
office: (206) 616-8546
janicecg@uw.edu   


-----Original Message-----
From: alpine-info-bounces@mailman2.u.washington.edu \
                [mailto:alpine-info-bounces@mailman2.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of \
                Andreas Schamanek
Sent: Sunday, September 05, 2010 8:36 AM
To: Alpine Info List
Subject: Re: [Alpine-info] re-alpine and alpine


On Sat, 4 Sep 2010, at 19:26, Mike Miller wrote:

> What's going on with alpine and re-alpine?

To the best of my knowledge, staff of the University of Washington
(UW) who formerly maintained Pine, Alpine, etc. has either quit or is
being denied to further spend time for Alpine's development. There was 
never a clear official statement about this but I am afraid anyone who 
followed this list can easily read this between the lines of the 
Alpine 2.00 announcement (the last one by UW) by Jeff Franklin
http://mailman2.u.washington.edu/pipermail/alpine-info/2008-August/001151.html

> Is all future development going to be with re-alpine instead of with 
> alpine? ... http://sourceforge.net/projects/re-alpine/

While Re-Alpine took over and published 2.01, everybody is free to 
contribute, fork and develop by whatever means. Eduardo Chappa's 
collection of patches is the best known other effort.

> And it says that re-alpine is a fork of alpine, but it's really just 
> alpine under new management, right? It is version 2.01, so I guess 
> that means that they are continuing the alpine version numbers.

So far 2 * yes.

> Is there a re-alpine info list, or is re-alpine using this list to 
> fill that need?

As long as UW is hosting the alpine-info list it is probably a good 
place for general Alpine topics (including Re-Alpine etc.).

Re-Alpine offers 2 lists and more for development:
http://sourceforge.net/projects/re-alpine/support

On Sat, 4 Sep 2010, at 20:36, David Griffith wrote:

> A sidenote, if there's going to be this business of discontinuing 
> development, forking, and so on; could we just pick a name and stick 
> with it? 

The Re-Alpine team decided to rename its fork. I am not sure if UW was 
happy if someone continued a modified/forked "Alpine", though.

> ... given that Alpine is under a free license, why can't 
> the University of Washington simply hand off development?

This is what happened, isn't it?

-- 
-- Andreas

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