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From:       Daniel Yakmut via RPD <rpd () afrinic ! net>
Date:       2021-08-06 15:07:20
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I am at this point utterly flabbergasted that response to simple 
questions will require a webinar. I thought direct answers would have 
been given to the questions first. Subsequently, if there are 
clarifications to be made, a webinar opportunity could be utilize to 
further give light to grey areas that have not been clear by the earlier 
response to the questions.

But, to plan to use a webinar to handle such situations, creates an 
atmosphere of suspicion. We can do well if we do not give such impressions.


Simply,

Daniel

On 05/08/2021 11:11 pm, Owen DeLong via RPD wrote:
> How about just providing simple text answers to the questions? I don't 
> think webinars are necessary. I think that the questions need to be 
> addressed and that there is really no difficulty to do so in text.
>
> Owen
>
>
>> On Aug 5, 2021, at 06:03 , AFRINIC Communication <comms@afrinic.net 
>> <mailto:comms@afrinic.net>> wrote:
>>
>> Dear Mr Wollner,
>>
>> This is a follow-up to our previous response to you regarding questions.
>>
>> We have planned to address these questions through a series of 
>> webinars. However, these AFRINIC webinar series that we started on 19 
>> July 2021 
>> (https://lists.afrinic.net/pipermail/announce/2021/002306.html 
>> <https://lists.afrinic.net/pipermail/announce/2021/002306.html>) have 
>> since been put on hold for now due to ongoing matters.
>>
>> We shall communicate the new dates for the webinar series in due course.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> AFRINIC Communications
>>
>>> On 3 Aug 2021, at 13:33, Paul Wollner 
>>> <paul.wollner@africaoncloud.net 
>>> <mailto:paul.wollner@africaoncloud.net>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Dear AFRINIC,
>>>
>>> It has been just over a month now since the mail below was sent and 
>>> I feel that we still do not have any direct answer on the 4 
>>> questions that were raised.
>>>
>>> Can we please get a clearcut answer from AFRINIC on these questions?
>>>
>>> Regards
>>> Paul Wollner
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ---- On Fri, 02 Jul 2021 14:24:05 +0200 Paul Wollner 
>>> <paul.wollner@africaoncloud.net 
>>> <mailto:paul.wollner@africaoncloud.net>> wrote ----
>>>
>>> Mr. Kayihura,
>>>
>>> I refer to your email dated 30 June 2021.
>>>
>>> In it, you claim that Questions 1 to 3 were addressed during the 
>>> open mic session held on 4 June 2021.
>>>
>>> The reality is that none of those questions were satisfactorily 
>>> answered. They were addressed to the extent that the questions were 
>>> acknowledged, then an attempt was made to obfuscate them and answer 
>>> different questions while pretending to answer the questions asked, 
>>> then a claim was made that the questions would be answered at a 
>>> later date.
>>>
>>> In reality, no such answer has been forthcoming from AFRINIC. We 
>>> recognize that these questions are likely inconvenient and come at 
>>> what is almost certainly an inopportune time to be asking. 
>>> Nonetheless, these are valid questions and as a resource member, we 
>>> feel that we are being held at unfair disadvantage if AFRINIC will 
>>> not provide a clear and direct answer to each of the questions about 
>>> how it interprets policies in these areas.
>>>
>>> There's too much at stake to allow AFRINIC staff to simply make it 
>>> up as they go a long. We need a public commitment to the official 
>>> interpretation of these areas of potential ambiguity in the current 
>>> policy regime.
>>>
>>> As to the fourth item, while it is not our intent to micro-manage 
>>> AFRINIC staff decisions, it is our conclusion that even if Madhvi 
>>> did not actively participate in the fraudulent resource 
>>> registrations and embezzlement, she surely must have either turned a 
>>> blind eye (aiding and abetting) or she failed to notice it which at 
>>> best displays a level of incompetence and failure to meet her duty 
>>> of care in such a position.
>>>
>>> In summary, we renew our request for factual, reliable, direct 
>>> answers to each of the queries and request that AFRINIC eschew 
>>> further obfuscation and sophistry in the process.
>>>
>>> Thank you.
>>>
>>> Paul Wollner
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ---- On Wed, 30 Jun 2021 13:04:19 +0200 Eddy Kayihura 
>>> <eddy@afrinic.net <mailto:eddy@afrinic.net>> wrote ----
>>>
>>> Mr Wollner,
>>>
>>> I refer to your email dated 24 June 2021.
>>>
>>> Questions 1 to 3 were addressed during the open mic session held on 
>>> 4 June 2021 and we undertook an action to organise a webinar within 
>>> 2 months to discuss with the community the definition of 
>>> "need-based" in the AFRINIC policies and bylaws.
>>>
>>> We are delighted to see that the discussion amongst the community 
>>> has already started.
>>>
>>>
>>> Regarding question 4, we cannot penalise a staff member unless we 
>>> find concrete proof of their involvement in the misappropriation of 
>>> the IP resources. As of now, we do not have such evidence on any of 
>>> AFRINIC's current staff members.
>>>
>>> The appropriate channel for such inquiry or complaint is to submit 
>>> it via our Whistleblowing platform.
>>>
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>>
>>> Eddy Kayihura
>>>
>>> Chief Executive Officer,
>>> African Network Information Centre (AFRINIC)
>>> …………………………………………………….
>>>
>>>
>>> M. Wollner,
>>>
>>> Je me réfère à votre courriel du 24 juin 2021.
>>>
>>> Les questions 1 à 3 ont été abordées lors de la session 'open mic' 
>>> qui s'est tenue le 4 juin 2021 et nous avons entrepris une action 
>>> visant à organiser un webinaire dans un délai de 2 mois afin de 
>>> discuter avec la communauté de la définition de "need-based" dans 
>>> les politiques et les statuts d'AFRINIC.
>>>
>>> Nous sommes ravis de voir que la discussion au sein de la communauté 
>>> a déjà commencé.
>>>
>>> En ce qui concerne la question 4, nous ne pouvons pas pénaliser un 
>>> membre du personnel à moins de trouver des preuves concrètes de son 
>>> implication dans la manipulation non autorisée des ressources IP. A 
>>> ce jour, nous n'avons pas de telles preuves sur aucun des membres 
>>> actuels du personnel d'AFRINIC.
>>>
>>> Le canal approprié pour une telle requête ou plainte est de la 
>>> soumettre via notre plateforme de whistleblowing.
>>>
>>>
>>> Cordialement,
>>> Eddy Kayihura
>>> Directeur général,
>>> African Network Information Centre (AFRINIC)
>>>
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    <p>I am at this point utterly flabbergasted that response to simple
      questions will require a webinar. I thought direct answers would
      have been given to the questions first. Subsequently, if there are
      clarifications to be made, a webinar opportunity could be utilize
      to further give light to grey areas that have not been clear by
      the earlier response to the questions.</p>
    <p>But, to plan to use a webinar to handle such situations, creates
      an atmosphere of suspicion. We can do well if we do not give such
      impressions.</p>
    <p><br>
    </p>
    <p>Simply,</p>
    <p>Daniel<br>
    </p>
    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 05/08/2021 11:11 pm, Owen DeLong via
      RPD wrote:<br>
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      How about just providing simple text answers to the questions? I
      don’t think webinars are necessary. I think that the questions
      need to be addressed and that there is really no difficulty to do
      so in text.
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      <div class="">Owen</div>
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            <div class="">On Aug 5, 2021, at 06:03 , AFRINIC
              Communication &lt;<a href="mailto:comms@afrinic.net"
                class="" moz-do-not-send="true">comms@afrinic.net</a>&gt;
              wrote:</div>
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              <span style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family:
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                !important;" class="">Dear Mr Wollner,</span><br
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              <br style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family:
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              <span style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family:
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                !important;" class="">This is a follow-up to our
                previous response to you regarding questions.</span><br
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              <br style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family:
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              <span style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family:
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                !important;" class="">We have planned to address these
                questions through a series of webinars. However, these
                AFRINIC webinar series that we started on 19 July 2021 (</span><a
href="https://lists.afrinic.net/pipermail/announce/2021/002306.html"
                style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px;
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                moz-do-not-send="true">https://lists.afrinic.net/pipermail/announce/2021/002306.html</a><span
  style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family:
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                !important;" class="">) have since been put on hold for
                now due to ongoing matters.<span
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              <br style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family:
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              <span style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family:
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                0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal;
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                !important;" class="">We shall communicate the new dates
                for the webinar series in due course.</span><br
                style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family:
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              <br style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family:
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              <span style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family:
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                !important;" class="">Regards,</span><br
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              <br style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family:
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              <span style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family:
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                !important;" class="">AFRINIC Communications</span><br
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              <br style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family:
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              <blockquote type="cite" style="font-family: Helvetica;
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                class="">On 3 Aug 2021, at 13:33, Paul Wollner &lt;<a
                  href="mailto:paul.wollner@africaoncloud.net" class=""
                  moz-do-not-send="true">paul.wollner@africaoncloud.net</a>&gt;
                wrote:<br class="">
                <br class="">
                Dear AFRINIC,<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br
                  class="">
                <br class="">
                It has been just over a month now since the mail below
                was sent and I feel that we still do not have any direct
                answer on the 4 questions that were raised.<br class="">
                <br class="">
                Can we please get a clearcut answer from AFRINIC on
                these questions?<br class="">
                <br class="">
                Regards<br class="">
                Paul Wollner<br class="">
                <br class="">
                <br class="">
                <br class="">
                <br class="">
                ---- On Fri, 02 Jul 2021 14:24:05 +0200 Paul Wollner
                &lt;<a href="mailto:paul.wollner@africaoncloud.net"
                  class="" \
moz-do-not-send="true">paul.wollner@africaoncloud.net</a>&gt;  wrote ----<br \
class="">  <br class="">
                Mr. Kayihura,<br class="">
                <br class="">
                I refer to your email dated 30 June 2021.<br class="">
                <br class="">
                In it, you claim that Questions 1 to 3 were addressed
                during the open mic session held on 4 June 2021.<br
                  class="">
                <br class="">
                The reality is that none of those questions were
                satisfactorily answered. They were addressed to the
                extent that the questions were acknowledged, then an
                attempt was made to obfuscate them and answer different
                questions while pretending to answer the questions
                asked, then a claim was made that the questions would be
                answered at a later date.<br class="">
                <br class="">
                In reality, no such answer has been forthcoming from
                AFRINIC. We recognize that these questions are likely
                inconvenient and come at what is almost certainly an
                inopportune time to be asking. Nonetheless, these are
                valid questions and as a resource member, we feel that
                we are being held at unfair disadvantage if AFRINIC will
                not provide a clear and direct answer to each of the
                questions about how it interprets policies in these
                areas.<br class="">
                <br class="">
                There’s too much at stake to allow AFRINIC staff to
                simply make it up as they go a long. We need a public
                commitment to the official interpretation of these areas
                of potential ambiguity in the current policy regime.<br
                  class="">
                <br class="">
                As to the fourth item, while it is not our intent to
                micro-manage AFRINIC staff decisions, it is our
                conclusion that even if Madhvi did not actively
                participate in the fraudulent resource registrations and
                embezzlement, she surely must have either turned a blind
                eye (aiding and abetting) or she failed to notice it
                which at best displays a level of incompetence and
                failure to meet her duty of care in such a position.<br
                  class="">
                <br class="">
                In summary, we renew our request for factual, reliable,
                direct answers to each of the queries and request that
                AFRINIC eschew further obfuscation and sophistry in the
                process.<br class="">
                <br class="">
                Thank you.<br class="">
                <br class="">
                Paul Wollner<br class="">
                <br class="">
                <br class="">
                <br class="">
                <br class="">
                <br class="">
                ---- On Wed, 30 Jun 2021 13:04:19 +0200 Eddy Kayihura
                &lt;<a href="mailto:eddy@afrinic.net" class=""
                  moz-do-not-send="true">eddy@afrinic.net</a>&gt; wrote
                ----<br class="">
                <br class="">
                Mr Wollner,<br class="">
                <br class="">
                I refer to your email dated 24 June 2021.<br class="">
                <br class="">
                Questions 1 to 3 were addressed during the open mic
                session held on 4 June 2021 and we undertook an action
                to organise a webinar within 2 months to discuss with
                the community the definition of “need-based” in the
                AFRINIC policies and bylaws.<br class="">
                <br class="">
                We are delighted to see that the discussion amongst the
                community has already started.<br class="">
                <br class="">
                <br class="">
                Regarding question 4, we cannot penalise a staff member
                unless we find concrete proof of their involvement in
                the misappropriation of the IP resources. As of now, we
                do not have such evidence on any of AFRINIC’s current
                staff members.<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br
                  class="">
                <br class="">
                The appropriate channel for such inquiry or complaint is
                to submit it via our Whistleblowing platform.<span
                  class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class="">
                <br class="">
                <br class="">
                Regards,<br class="">
                <br class="">
                Eddy Kayihura<br class="">
                <br class="">
                Chief Executive Officer,<br class="">
                African Network Information Centre (AFRINIC)<br class="">
                …………………………………………………….<br class="">
                <br class="">
                <br class="">
                M. Wollner,<br class="">
                <br class="">
                Je me réfère à votre courriel du 24 juin 2021.<br
                  class="">
                <br class="">
                Les questions 1 à 3 ont été abordées lors de la session
                'open mic' qui s'est tenue le 4 juin 2021 et nous avons
                entrepris une action visant à organiser un webinaire
                dans un délai de 2 mois afin de discuter avec la
                communauté de la définition de "need-based" dans les
                politiques et les statuts d'AFRINIC.<br class="">
                <br class="">
                Nous sommes ravis de voir que la discussion au sein de
                la communauté a déjà commencé.<br class="">
                <br class="">
                En ce qui concerne la question 4, nous ne pouvons pas
                pénaliser un membre du personnel à moins de trouver des
                preuves concrètes de son implication dans la
                manipulation non autorisée des ressources IP. A ce jour,
                nous n'avons pas de telles preuves sur aucun des membres
                actuels du personnel d'AFRINIC.<br class="">
                <br class="">
                Le canal approprié pour une telle requête ou plainte est
                de la soumettre via notre plateforme de whistleblowing.<br
                  class="">
                <br class="">
                <br class="">
                Cordialement,<br class="">
                Eddy Kayihura<br class="">
                Directeur général,<br class="">
                African Network Information Centre (AFRINIC)<span
                  class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class="">
                <br class="">
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