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Subject: [rpd] Who is Who (Identity) in the AFRINIC's Community Public Discourse
From: Noah <noah () neo ! co ! tz>
Date: 2021-07-31 20:29:01
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Dear Community, Attn: Co-Chairs [*This is not policy related but rather
important for the PDWG*]
Shall we be honest with each other for once. See Inline response to
Fernando's important submission to the working group based on publicly
available information and links. Other information is on mailing lists
archives.
On Thu, Jul 29, 2021 at 10:53 PM Fernando Frediani <fhfrediani@gmail.com>
wrote:
> For quiet a while in PDWG we have pretty much the *same group of people*
> who have been trying hard to force a couple of things into PDWG and AfriNic
> and which fortunately have been failing on all of them.
>
I agree with the statement above and they are associated with Larus. Some
of the known people from the group are followers here
https://larus-foundation.medium.com/followers
> This is becoming every day more evident and as much they get turned down
> on their tentative they keep trying in a loophole hoping that at some point
> they will hit something, but fortunately they keep failing on ALL their
> tentatives.
>
It is called disruption. It keeps the AFRINIC PDWG busy on nonsense.
The truth is the PDWG fell for their manipulative nonsense and kept
engaging the trolls and unfortunately, here we are dear PDWG participants.
Their way to do things are pretty much static and the very same people
> repeat the same stuff over and over and over again and there are occasions
> where it seems the messages were all drafted by the same person.
>
This is why Mike labelled that faction as an echo-chamber. They often
spread the same self-serving one sided narratives that are disruptive to
working group progress.
It is too naive from some of them to believe there are much community
> members who don't notice this.
>
They are not naive. The practise is deliberate for a number of reasons
among them;
1. Disruption
2. Control of their purported self-serving one-sided narratives and beliefs.
> Below a list of the stuff this same group tried and it shows the links
> between some of these episodes and the type of controversy or even wrong
> things they keep trying for:
>
> - Tried as much as they could to force the pass of the Inter-RIR transfer
> by all means, one of the most important proposals of the existence of
> AfriNic and which can change A LOT for the RIR.
>
Allow me to note the interested parties imho based on the attention I have
paid too this rpd list.
1.The interested parties are Authors of the resource transfer proposal
(Antony Ubah and Taiwo Oye)
2.The other Interested party is *subtle* Lu Heng (Through the fellows
associated with the Larus Foundation)
3.The other interested party is Paul Wolner and associate of Lu
4.Fellows associated with the Larus Foundation like ( Emem William, Elvis
Ibeanusi, Wijdane Goubi, Meriem Dayday, Lamiaa CHNAYTI, Joshua)
5. Anne-Vivien Paris from the Larus Foundation
6. Then there is Gaby Giner and Ekaterina Kalugina (Policy Ambassadors for
Larus Foundation)
All the above are passionate supporters of that self-serving Inter-RIR
resource transfer policy.
> - Supported the insertion of stuff never discussed in the PDWG at the very
> last minute as "editorial change" to make legacy resources to remain
> legacy, which only benefits those who profit from these business
>
Fellows associated with the Larus Foundation and Larus apologists.
- Tried everything to keep the disastrous ex Co-chairs that were doing a
> pretty bad job plus having conflicts with community which were fortunately
> recalled later on.
>
Fellows associated with the Larus Foundation and Larus apologists.
> - Opposed as much as they could from new Chairs elections although they
> have tried to put their own candidates on that same selection process (some
> of them with controvert nomination process by member).
>
Fellows associated with the Larus Foundation and Larus apologists.
- Not satisfied with not being able to have someone from their group as
> Co-Chairs started to disrupt the PDWG and only recognizing Co-Chair rules
> when is convenient.
>
This includes Fellows associated with the Larus Foundation like Elvis
Ibeanusi, Wijdane Goubi and Antony Ubah and Paul Wolner endorsed Wijdane
Goubi and Antony Ubah in their failed attempt to become PDWG Co-Chairs
https://lists.afrinic.net/pipermail/rpd/2021/012935.html so as to continue
with the manipulation.
- Tried to fight hardly against proposals that seem to be concerning to
> certain type of business they seem to support.
>
This is the echo-chamber and fellows associated with the Larus Foundation
based on their echo-posts. The type of business is* IPv4 leasing* and their
rational which can be read via this link https://www.larus.net/news/p/441
[image: IPv4 is Gold According to Larus.png]
[image: Screenshot 2021-07-31 at 18.49.06.png]
*You can see why the self-serving resource transfer proposal by Antony and
Taiwo is important to Lu and his Larus IPv4 leasing business.*
- The very same people supported the same appeal to all proposals,
> repeating the very same arguments and almost similar emails written and
> repeated over and over.
>
This is the echo-chamber and fellows associated with the Larus Foundation
based on their echo-chamber posts. As long as the proposal is not
beneficial to Lu, they will appeal it even if it's a reasonable proposal.
- Have sent appeals that have problems in complying with the CPM trying at
> all costs to stop all possible proposals to carry on their natural path. A
> pure dissatisfaction.
>
The appeals are against proposals they believe are not financially
beneficial to Lu. But they support and call for very fast ratification of
proposals that are of interest to Lu such as the *self-serving resource
transfer proposal *which would effectively enable CIL to transfer the so
called Gold from AFRINIC service region to wherever.
And a quote from https://www.larus.net/news/p/441 explaining the process
of trading the so called Gold since Heng Lu believes an IPv4 address is a
commodity.
A quote from the link above;
*"Therefore, there are only a handful of companies in the industry with
professional IPv4 leasing business and strict rules and regulations, such
as LARUS Limited, which is a company focused on providing IPv4
<https://www.larus.net/> related services, including IPv4 address leasing
<https://www.larus.net/ip-delegation-service> and IPv4 address trading." *
End of quote,
How is the above useful to the AFRINIC service region if Larus Foundation
fellows who are associated with a company Larus Ltd that is involved in
IPv4 address trading bombard the RPD list with self-serving proposals and
often nonsense and DDOS posts.
> - Keep supporting stuff like the usage of African Internet resources out
> of the region in the contrary direction of development of African region
> and the "right" of a member to take away resources out of the rules
>
1. This includes Owen Delong (He is actually very honest with who he
represents (Larus) and how he is compensated and wished he had made better
decisions earlier in his career) in his own words. Owen often airs out that
he is not a fan of some of the things that Cloud Innovation has done.
2. The support also includes the echo-chamber and fellows associated with
the Larus Foundation, as you can see why, based on this link
https://www.larus.net/news/p/441
Honestly, if they have any believe of what they are doing is not being
> noticed by most PDWG participants then they might keep trying because they
> feel they are taking seriously.
> No wonder every time they are faced with someone disputing their argument
> they automatically invoke the 'right of freedom' to keep saying the same
> repeating stuff.
>
They also always scream for the CoC whenever they are called out. They
claim its personal attacks. But we ought to reach a point where we call a
spade a spade and let everyones vested interests be known.
Let us now agree and disagree like folks of conscience.
I call on participants to state their Interests and affiliations and who
they represent without being subtle and manipulating the RIR system for
self-serving interests.
Cheers,
Noah
- I am associated with a number of AFRINIC LIR's.
- I am Internet end-user with vested interests in the role of AFRINIC in
Africa's Internet development and digital transformation of Africa.
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<div dir="auto"><div dir="ltr"><div>Dear Community, Attn: Co-Chairs [<b>This is not \
policy related but rather important for the PDWG</b>]</div><div><br></div><div>Shall \
we be honest with each other for once. See Inline response to Fernando's \
important submission to the working group based on publicly available information and \
links. Other information is on mailing lists archives. </div><div><br></div><div \
class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Thu, Jul 29, 2021 at 10:53 \
PM Fernando Frediani <<a href="mailto:fhfrediani@gmail.com" rel="noreferrer \
noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" \
target="_blank">fhfrediani@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote \
class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid \
rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
<div>
<p>For quiet a while in PDWG we have pretty much the <b>same group
of people</b> who have been trying hard to force a couple of
things into PDWG and AfriNic and which fortunately have been
failing on all of them. </p></div></blockquote><div>I agree with the statement \
above and they are associated with Larus. Some of the known people from the group are \
followers here <a href="https://larus-foundation.medium.com/followers" \
rel="noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" \
target="_blank">https://larus-foundation.medium.com/followers</a> </div><div> \
</div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px \
solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div><p>This is becoming every day more \
evident and as much they get turned down on their tentative they keep
trying in a loophole hoping that at some point they will hit
something, but fortunately they keep failing on ALL their
tentatives.<br></p></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>It is called \
disruption. It keeps the AFRINIC PDWG busy on nonsense. </div><div \
dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">The truth is the PDWG fell for their \
manipulative nonsense and kept engaging the trolls and unfortunately, here we are \
dear PDWG participants.</div><div><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" \
style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid \
rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div><p> </p>
<p>Their way to do things are pretty much static and the very same
people repeat the same stuff over and over and over again and
there are occasions where it seems the messages were all drafted
by the same person. </p></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>This is why Mike \
labelled that faction as an echo-chamber. They often spread the same self-serving one \
sided narratives that are disruptive to working group \
progress.</div><div><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px \
0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div><p>It is too \
naive from some of them to believe there are much community members who don't \
notice this. </p></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>They are not naive. The \
practise is deliberate for a number of reasons among \
them;</div><div><br></div><div>1. Disruption</div><div>2. Control of their purported \
self-serving one-sided narratives and beliefs.<br></div><div> <br></div><blockquote \
class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid \
rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div><p>Below a list of the stuff this same group \
tried and it shows the links between some of these episodes and the type of \
controversy or even wrong things they keep trying for:</p>
<p>- Tried as much as they could to force the pass of the Inter-RIR
transfer by all means, one of the most important proposals of the
existence of AfriNic and which can change A LOT for the \
RIR.</p></div></blockquote><div>Allow me to note the interested parties imho based on \
the attention I have paid too this rpd list.</div><div><br></div><div>1.The \
interested parties are Authors of the resource transfer proposal (Antony Ubah and \
Taiwo Oye) <br></div><div>2.The other Interested party is <b>subtle</b> Lu Heng \
(Through the fellows associated with the Larus Foundation)</div><div><div>3.The other \
interested party is Paul Wolner and associate of \
Lu<br></div></div><div><div><div>4.Fellows associated with the Larus Foundation like \
( Emem William, Elvis Ibeanusi, Wijdane Goubi, Meriem Dayday, Lamiaa CHNAYTI, Joshua) \
</div><div>5. Anne-Vivien Paris from the Larus Foundation<br></div></div><div>6. Then \
there is Gaby Giner and Ekaterina Kalugina (Policy Ambassadors for Larus \
Foundation)</div><div><br></div></div><div>All the above are passionate supporters of \
that self-serving Inter-RIR resource transfer policy.</div><blockquote \
class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid \
rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div><p>
- Supported the insertion of stuff never discussed in the PDWG at
the very last minute as "editorial change" to make legacy
resources to remain legacy, which only benefits those who profit
from these business</p></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div><div>Fellows \
associated with the Larus Foundation and Larus apologists. \
</div><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px \
0.8ex;border-left:1px solid \
rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div><p>
- Tried everything to keep the disastrous ex Co-chairs that were
doing a pretty bad job plus having conflicts with community which
were fortunately recalled later \
on.<br></p></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Fellows associated with the Larus \
Foundation and Larus apologists. </div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" \
style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid \
rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div><p>
- Opposed as much as they could from new Chairs elections although
they have tried to put their own candidates on that same selection
process (some of them with controvert nomination process by
member).</p></div></blockquote><div><div>Fellows associated with the Larus \
Foundation and Larus apologists. </div><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" \
style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid \
rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div><p>
- Not satisfied with not being able to have someone from their
group as Co-Chairs started to disrupt the PDWG and only
recognizing Co-Chair rules when is \
convenient.<br></p></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div><div>This includes Fellows \
associated with the Larus Foundation like Elvis Ibeanusi, Wijdane Goubi and Antony \
Ubah and Paul Wolner endorsed Wijdane Goubi and Antony Ubah in their failed \
attempt to become PDWG Co-Chairs <a \
href="https://lists.afrinic.net/pipermail/rpd/2021/012935.html" rel="noreferrer \
noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" \
target="_blank">https://lists.afrinic.net/pipermail/rpd/2021/012935.html</a> so as \
to continue with the manipulation.</div><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" \
style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid \
rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div><p>
- Tried to fight hardly against proposals that seem to be
concerning to certain type of business they seem to \
support.<br></p></div></blockquote><div><div><div>This is the echo-chamber and \
fellows associated with the Larus Foundation based on their echo-posts. The type of \
business is<b> IPv4 leasing</b> and their rational which can be read via this link \
<span style="color:rgb(32,90,115);font-family:"Helvetica \
Neue";font-size:13px"><a href="https://www.larus.net/news/p/441" rel="noreferrer \
noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" \
target="_blank">https://www.larus.net/news/p/441</a> </span></div><div><span \
style="color:rgb(32,90,115);font-family:"Helvetica \
Neue";font-size:13px"><br></span></div><div><br></div></div></div><div><img \
src="https://mail.google.com/mail/?ui=2&ik=f933ab1a49&attid=0.1&th=17afdbe \
5afef8b17&view=fimg&rm=17afdbe5afef8b17&sz=w1600-h1000&attbid=ANGjdJ8a \
H35Jl1Au3yTv6syvkmyKfl8x3orWROMx6MekWGP6YIFPTubxA6xfmP6-uP7T7HBYpjP5-w1VXaHnQ5cVVVP_4h \
uWZ_oI6R0rP0o82JIsklKCGSWNnLh6I0g&disp=emb&realattid=ii_krry7b6t1&zw" \
alt="IPv4 is Gold According to Larus.png" width="512" \
height="316"><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>
<img src="https://mail.google.com/mail/?ui=2&ik=f933ab1a49&attid=0.2&th=17 \
afdbe5afef8b17&view=fimg&rm=17afdbe5afef8b17&sz=w1600-h1000&attbid=ANG \
jdJ_p5MwV_9zzqE9YPh83hx03Oh0sQfYZnD1vPoFenCPB5jpgIZSmf422lU6KLvBkeHrDXriicyi93k3rfQz_i \
G0id997YkeRCkWYeAyvovMhgqDlkdTlmU4NPxU&disp=emb&realattid=ii_krrya9ps2&zw" \
alt="Screenshot 2021-07-31 at 18.49.06.png" width="512" height="265"><p \
style="margin:0px;font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;font-stretch:normal;font-size:13px;line-height:normal;font-family:"Helvetica \
Neue""><br></p><p \
style="margin:0px;font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;font-stretch:normal;font-size:13px;line-height:normal;font-family:"Helvetica \
Neue""><br></p><p \
style="margin:0px;font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;font-stretch:normal;font-size:13px;line-height:normal;font-family:"Helvetica \
Neue""><b>You can see why the self-serving resource transfer proposal by Antony \
and Taiwo is important to Lu and his Larus IPv4 leasing business.</b></p><p \
style="margin:0px;font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;font-stretch:normal;font-size:13px;line-height:normal;font-family:"Helvetica \
Neue""><br></p><p \
style="margin:0px;font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;font-stretch:normal;font-size:13px;line-height:normal;font-family:"Helvetica \
Neue""><br></p></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px \
0.8ex;border-left:1px solid \
rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div><p>
- The very same people supported the same appeal to all proposals,
repeating the very same arguments and almost similar emails
written and repeated over and \
over.<br></p></div></blockquote><div><div><div><div><br></div><div>This is the \
echo-chamber and fellows associated with the Larus Foundation based on their \
echo-chamber posts. As long as the proposal is not beneficial to Lu, they will appeal \
it even if it's a reasonable \
proposal.</div></div></div><div><div><div><div><br></div></div></div></div></div><blockquote \
class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid \
rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div><p>
- Have sent appeals that have problems in complying with the CPM
trying at all costs to stop all possible proposals to carry on
their natural path. A pure \
dissatisfaction.<br></p></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div><div>The appeals are \
against proposals they believe are not financially beneficial to Lu. But they support \
and call for very fast ratification of proposals that are of interest to Lu such as \
the <b>self-serving resource transfer proposal </b>which would effectively enable CIL \
to transfer the so called Gold from AFRINIC service region to wherever. \
</div></div><div><br></div><div>And a quote from <a \
href="https://www.larus.net/news/p/441" rel="noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer \
noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.larus.net/news/p/441</a> \
explaining the process of trading the so called Gold since Heng Lu believes an IPv4 \
address is a commodity. <br></div><div><br></div><div dir="auto">A quote from the \
link above; </div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div><b><span \
style="box-sizing:border-box;font-size:14px;text-align:justify;font-family:Arial;color:rgb(0,0,0)">"<i>Therefore, \
there are only a handful of companies in the industry with professional IPv4 leasing \
business and strict rules and regulations, such as LARUS Limited, which is a company \
focused on providing </i></span><i><a href="https://www.larus.net/" \
style="box-sizing:border-box;color:rgb(66,139,202);text-decoration-line:none;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;font-size:14px;text-align:justify" \
rel="noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank"><span \
style="box-sizing:border-box;font-family:Arial;color:rgb(0,0,0)">IPv4</span></a><span \
style="box-sizing:border-box;font-size:14px;text-align:justify;font-family:Arial;color:rgb(0,0,0)"> \
related services, including </span><a \
href="https://www.larus.net/ip-delegation-service" \
style="box-sizing:border-box;color:rgb(66,139,202);text-decoration-line:none;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;font-size:14px;text-align:justify" \
rel="noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank"><span \
style="box-sizing:border-box;font-family:Arial;color:rgb(0,0,0)">IPv4 address \
leasing</span></a></i><span \
style="box-sizing:border-box;font-size:14px;text-align:justify;font-family:Arial;color:rgb(0,0,0)"><i> \
and IPv4 address trading</i>." </span></b><br></div><div \
dir="auto"><br></div><div>End of quote,</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div \
dir="auto"><br></div><div>How is the above useful to the AFRINIC service region if \
Larus Foundation fellows who are associated with a company Larus Ltd that is involved \
in IPv4 address trading bombard the RPD list with self-serving proposals and often \
nonsense and DDOS posts.</div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" \
style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid \
rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div><p>
- Keep supporting stuff like the usage of African Internet
resources out of the region in the contrary direction of
development of African region and the "right" of a member to take
away resources out of the rules<br></p></div></blockquote><div> </div><div>1. \
This includes Owen Delong (He is actually very honest with who he represents (Larus) \
and how he is compensated and wished he had made better decisions earlier in his \
career) in his own words. Owen often airs out that he is not a fan of some of the \
things that Cloud Innovation has done.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div><div>2. \
The support also includes the echo-chamber and fellows associated with the Larus \
Foundation, as you can see why, based on this link <a \
href="https://www.larus.net/news/p/441" rel="noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer \
noreferrer noreferrer" \
target="_blank">https://www.larus.net/news/p/441</a></div></div><div><br></div></div><div \
class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px \
0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div> <p>Honestly, if \
they have any believe of what they are doing is not being noticed by most PDWG \
participants then they might keep trying because they feel they are taking \
seriously. <br> No wonder every time they are faced with someone disputing their
argument they automatically invoke the 'right of freedom' to keep
saying the same repeating stuff.</p></div></blockquote><div>They also always \
scream for the CoC whenever they are called out. They claim its personal attacks. But \
we ought to reach a point where we call a spade a spade and let everyones vested \
interests be known.</div><div><br></div><div>Let us now agree and disagree like folks \
of conscience. </div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">I call on \
participants to state their Interests and affiliations and who they represent without \
being subtle and manipulating the RIR system for self-serving interests. \
</div><div><br></div><div>Cheers,<br></div><div>Noah </div><div \
dir="auto"><br></div><div>- I am associated with a number of AFRINIC \
LIR's.</div><div>- I am Internet end-user with vested interests in the role of \
AFRINIC in Africa's Internet development and digital transformation of \
Africa.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div \
dir="auto"><br></div><div><br></div></div></div></div>
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