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From: Owen DeLong via RPD <rpd () afrinic ! net>
Date: 2021-07-17 2:02:58
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> On Jul 15, 2021, at 15:19 , Noah <noah@neo.co.tz> wrote:
>
> Owen,
>
> On Wed, 14 Jul 2021 at 13:56, Owen DeLong <owen@delong.com \
> <mailto:owen@delong.com>> wrote:
> In general, I select clients who are generally ideologically aligned with me.
>
> And what is your so-called Ideology? besides making a living out of consultancy?
That's a complicated question, but I assure you that making a living out of \
consultancy actually isn't part of that ideology. Making a living is a purely \
pragmatic matter. Had I been financially wiser in my youth, I would no longer be \
depending on fees for my services in order to survive. Alas, finance has never been \
my strong suit nor my primary motivator and as a result, I am still working for money \
rather than the other way around.
The best way to understand my ideology as regards number resource policy and how it \
has evolved over the years is to review my public record and my voting record on the \
ARIN AC.
> One exception is Cloud Innovation.
> While I am not ideologically 100% in agreement with them and do not necessarily \
> favor the current state of policy which benefits them
> So you consult for Cloud Innovation yet you are not 100% ideologically in agreement \
> with the very company you consult for????
Yes. Nobody is 100% ideologically in agreement with me, most likely. Many areas where \
I agree with Cloud Innovation. Some areas where I do not. Lu and I are open and \
honest with each other about where we agree and where we disagree and there is no \
expectation inherent in my contract that I will alter my views or express views that \
I don't agree with, so we are able to make it work.
While I don't necessarily like some of the ways in which Lu has gone about utilizing \
the address space he obtained from AFRINIC, a plain text reading of the governing \
documents (CPM, RSA, bylaws) leaves me no choice but to agree that his use is \
compliant with the applicable policies and that his company has acted in good faith \
and compliance with the rules as they are written. I am not personally entirely \
convinced that leasing is either good or bad for the community. However, I am \
convinced that the policies as currently written do not preclude it.
> And when you say "current state of policy benefits them" meaning (Cloud \
> Innovation), what do you exactly mean?
I mean the fact that the policy as written does not preclude leasing and does not \
prohibit (or even limit) out of region use except for registrations issued after the \
beginning of exhaustion phase 1 in the soft landing policy. I would have thought that \
self evident by now.
I am of mixed emotions on both of these issues. I am ambivalent at best on leasing. \
On out of region use, I would love to see a way to address it that didn't come with \
collateral damage that would make the cure worse than the disease, but so far no such \
option has presented itself. The aborted attempt at such a policy some years ago in \
this community provided a pretty substantial review of just how thorny the issue is \
and how rapidly it devolves into corner cases that are difficult to address.
In the end, the community did not come to consensus to adopt such a policy and it was \
withdrawn by the author.
The community has never (to the best of my knowledge) made any effort to even \
consider a policy prohibiting leasing, even in light of recent events. One would \
think that the easiest way for the community to stop leasing, if they truly found it \
so objectionable, would be to prohibit it in policy, yet there is still not so much \
as a policy proposal submitted towards this end.
As such, it sounds to me like a few vociferous people wish to whine about ideology \
while refusing to take action to make the rules actually consistent with their \
supposed views.
At least when I take issue with a policy or other rule or even a proposal, I offer \
concrete alternatives (which admittedly in some cases is to simply claim the status \
quo is superior to the proposed alternative). Such is the case in my reaction to the \
boards Appeal Committee land grab. I offered very concrete suggestions for an \
alternative which could yield a properly independent appellate body.
The issues in this case are not whether I agree with Lu and what he is doing or not. \
The issues are whether or not AFRINIC as a body and the AFRINIC board and staff will \
comply with their own rules as written and as developed by the members and the \
community or whether they are free to run amok and create rules from whole cloth.
It is the importance of following the rules as written where my client Cloud \
Innovation and I are ideologically aligned and what I consider the most important \
aspect of this case. I really had high hopes that AFRINIC would take this more \
seriously when we tried to resolve it amicably before involving the courts, but I \
failed in my attempt to communicate this and alas, egos were bruised, respect was \
lost, and the situation degraded farther than I had ever thought possible.
I will also point out that Cloud Innovation is not my only client in the region and \
my clients are not the only ones potentially harmed by AFRINIC's failure to follow \
its own rules here. Whether you agree with me or not, whether you like what I say or \
not, I have always tried to act in what I believe to be the best interests of the \
community and I will always continue to do so.
Owen
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type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Jul 15, 2021, at 15:19 , Noah <<a \
href="mailto:noah@neo.co.tz" class="">noah@neo.co.tz</a>> wrote:</div><br \
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class="">Owen,</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div \
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class=""><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Wed, 14 Jul \
2021 at 13:56, Owen DeLong <<a href="mailto:owen@delong.com" target="_blank" \
class="">owen@delong.com</a>> wrote:<br class=""></div><blockquote \
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class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px \
0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div class=""> In \
general, I select clients who are generally ideologically aligned with me.<br \
class=""></div></blockquote></div></div></blockquote><div class=""><br \
class=""></div><div class=""> And what is your so-called Ideology? besides \
making a living out of consultancy?</div></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br \
class=""></div>That's a complicated question, but I assure you that making a living \
out of consultancy actually isn't part of that ideology. Making a living is a purely \
pragmatic matter. Had I been financially wiser in my youth, I would no longer be \
depending on fees for my services in order to survive. Alas, finance has never been \
my strong suit nor my primary motivator and as a result, I am still working for money \
rather than the other way around.</div><div><br class=""></div><div>The best way to \
understand my ideology as regards number resource policy and how it has evolved over \
the years is to review my public record and my voting record on the ARIN \
AC.</div><div><br class=""></div><div><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div dir="ltr" \
class=""><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px \
0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr" \
class=""><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px \
0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div \
class="">One exception is Cloud \
Innovation. </div></blockquote></div></div></blockquote><blockquote \
class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid \
rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr" class=""><div \
class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px \
0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div class="">While I \
am not ideologically 100% in agreement with them and do not necessarily favor the \
current state of policy which benefits \
them</div></blockquote></div></div></blockquote><div class=""><br class=""></div><div \
class=""><div class="">So you consult for Cloud Innovation yet you are not 100% \
ideologically in agreement with the very company you consult \
for????</div></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br class=""></div>Yes. Nobody is \
100% ideologically in agreement with me, most likely. Many areas where I agree with \
Cloud Innovation. Some areas where I do not. Lu and I are open and honest with each \
other about where we agree and where we disagree and there is no expectation inherent \
in my contract that I will alter my views or express views that I don't agree with, \
so we are able to make it work.</div><div><br class=""></div><div>While I don't \
necessarily like some of the ways in which Lu has gone about utilizing the address \
space he obtained from AFRINIC, a plain text reading of the governing documents (CPM, \
RSA, bylaws) leaves me no choice but to agree that his use is compliant with the \
applicable policies and that his company has acted in good faith and compliance with \
the rules as they are written. I am not personally entirely convinced that leasing is \
either good or bad for the community. However, I am convinced that the policies as \
currently written do not preclude it.</div><div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" \
class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div class="gmail_quote"><div class=""><div \
class="">And when you say "current state of policy benefits them" meaning (Cloud \
Innovation), what do you exactly mean?</div></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br \
class=""></div></div>I mean the fact that the policy as written does not preclude \
leasing and does not prohibit (or even limit) out of region use except for \
registrations issued after the beginning of exhaustion phase 1 in the soft landing \
policy. I would have thought that self evident by now.<div class=""><br \
class=""></div><div class="">I am of mixed emotions on both of these issues. I am \
ambivalent at best on leasing. On out of region use, I would love to see a way to \
address it that didn't come with collateral damage that would make the cure worse \
than the disease, but so far no such option has presented itself. The aborted attempt \
at such a policy some years ago in this community provided a pretty substantial \
review of just how thorny the issue is and how rapidly it devolves into corner cases \
that are difficult to address.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">In \
the end, the community did not come to consensus to adopt such a policy and it was \
withdrawn by the author.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">The \
community has never (to the best of my knowledge) made any effort to even consider a \
policy prohibiting leasing, even in light of recent events. One would think that the \
easiest way for the community to stop leasing, if they truly found it so \
objectionable, would be to prohibit it in policy, yet there is still not so much as a \
policy proposal submitted towards this end.</div><div class=""><br \
class=""></div><div class="">As such, it sounds to me like a few vociferous people \
wish to whine about ideology while refusing to take action to make the rules actually \
consistent with their supposed views.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div \
class="">At least when I take issue with a policy or other rule or even a proposal, I \
offer concrete alternatives (which admittedly in some cases is to simply claim the \
status quo is superior to the proposed alternative). Such is the case in my reaction \
to the boards Appeal Committee land grab. I offered very concrete suggestions for an \
alternative which could yield a properly independent appellate body.</div><div \
class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">The issues in this case are not whether I \
agree with Lu and what he is doing or not. The issues are whether or not AFRINIC as a \
body and the AFRINIC board and staff will comply with their own rules as written and \
as developed by the members and the community or whether they are free to run amok \
and create rules from whole cloth.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div \
class="">It is the importance of following the rules as written where my client Cloud \
Innovation and I are ideologically aligned and what I consider the most important \
aspect of this case. I really had high hopes that AFRINIC would take this more \
seriously when we tried to resolve it amicably before involving the courts, but I \
failed in my attempt to communicate this and alas, egos were bruised, respect was \
lost, and the situation degraded farther than I had ever thought possible.</div><div \
class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">I will also point out that Cloud Innovation \
is not my only client in the region and my clients are not the only ones potentially \
harmed by AFRINIC's failure to follow its own rules here. Whether you agree with me \
or not, whether you like what I say or not, I have always tried to act in what I \
believe to be the best interests of the community and I will always continue to do \
so.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div \
class="">Owen</div><div class=""><br class=""></div></body></html>
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