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Subject: [rpd] We should be fair
From: Sylvain Baya <abscoco () gmail ! com>
Date: 2021-02-24 1:34:19
Message-ID: CAJjTEvG0sNcKkL1ZxfE13rEb5pg8Qy7tPyWCuQsYbJ3xu=yBag () mail ! gmail ! com
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Dear PDWG,
Le mer. 24 févr. 2021 00:14, Owen DeLong <owen@delong.com> a écrit :
>
> On Feb 20, 2021, at 5:03 AM, Sylvain Baya <abscoco@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Dear PDWG,
>
> [...]
>>
>> [...]
>
> 3. If possible, AFRINIC should publish the recorded zoom meeting video
>> file for the public to review.
>>
>>
> ...this should be only accessible to the investigation
> committee, at least until it confirms that there is nothing
> to hide.
>
>
> I think I agree with the sentiment I believe you are trying to convey,
>
Hi Owen,
Thanks for your email, brother.
but I cannot agree
> with the above words.
>
...and you are right!
> The video should be made available for the investigation (If one exists,
> and I agree one
> should).
>
Agreed! i tried to say the same :-)
It should not be made public unless misconduct is identified
>
...it appears to be a bit different with my previous PoV...publish
only if there is nothing to hide...i understand that you want
to keep the confidential character of some kind of committees. Which is
acceptable for me.
and even then, only
> the portions of the video that are evidence of the misconduct should be
> made available.
>
Maybe for the sake of transparency; but i don't see the need
to publish videos (full/part) of bad behavior made during
a recorded meeting ; not intended to be render public on
the first place.
> If a committee's meeting videos are going to be made public, the members
> of that committee
> should be aware of that intent prior to the meeting. Otherwise, it is
> unfair to the members
> of the committee to abruptly make public what they were told was a private
> meeting going
> in and it will inhibit frank and honest discussion in such meetings.
>
...i agree with what you have explained.
Thanks.
Shalom,
--sb.
> Owen
>
>
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<div dir="auto">Dear PDWG,<br><br><div class="gmail_quote" dir="auto"><div dir="ltr" \
class="gmail_attr">Le mer. 24 févr. 2021 00:14, Owen DeLong <<a \
href="mailto:owen@delong.com" target="_blank" \
rel="noreferrer">owen@delong.com</a>> a écrit :<br></div><blockquote \
class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc \
solid;padding-left:1ex"><div \
style="word-wrap:break-word;line-break:after-white-space"><div><br><blockquote \
type="cite"><div>On Feb 20, 2021, at 5:03 AM, Sylvain Baya <<a \
href="mailto:abscoco@gmail.com" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" \
target="_blank">abscoco@gmail.com</a>> wrote:</div><br><div><div dir="ltr"><div \
dir="ltr">Dear PDWG,</div></div></div></blockquote></div><div><blockquote \
type="cite"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" \
style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid \
rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div \
style="font-family:Verdana,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:10pt" \
dir="auto">[...]<br><div><br></div></div></blockquote></div></div></blockquote>[...]</div><div><blockquote \
type="cite"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" \
style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid \
rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div><div \
style="font-family:Verdana,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:10pt"><div></div><div>3. If \
possible, AFRINIC should publish the recorded zoom meeting video file for the public \
to review.<br></div><br></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>...this should \
be only accessible to the investigation <br></div><div>committee, at least until it \
confirms that there is nothing <br></div><div>to hide. \
<br></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>I think I agree with the \
sentiment I believe you are trying to convey, \
</div></div></div></blockquote></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Hi \
Owen,</div><div dir="auto">Thanks for your email, brother.</div><div \
dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div class="gmail_quote" \
dir="auto"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px \
#ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div \
style="word-wrap:break-word;line-break:after-white-space"><div><div>but I cannot \
agree</div><div>with the above \
words.</div><div></div></div></div></blockquote></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div \
dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">...and you are right!</div><div \
dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div class="gmail_quote" \
dir="auto"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px \
#ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div \
style="word-wrap:break-word;line-break:after-white-space"><div><div><br></div><div>The \
video should be made available for the investigation (If one exists, and I agree \
one</div><div>should). </div></div></div></blockquote></div><div \
dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Agreed! i tried to say the same :-)</div><div \
dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div class="gmail_quote" \
dir="auto"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px \
#ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div \
style="word-wrap:break-word;line-break:after-white-space"><div><div>It should not be \
made public unless misconduct is identified </div></div></div></blockquote></div><div \
dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">...it appears to be a bit different with my \
previous PoV...publish </div><div dir="auto">only if there is nothing to hide...i \
understand that you want </div><div dir="auto">to keep the confidential character of \
some kind of committees. Which is acceptable for me.</div><div \
dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div class="gmail_quote" \
dir="auto"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px \
#ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div \
style="word-wrap:break-word;line-break:after-white-space"><div><div>and even then, \
only</div><div>the portions of the video that are evidence of the misconduct should \
be made available.</div><div></div></div></div></blockquote></div><div \
dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Maybe for the sake of \
transparency; but i don't see the need </div><div dir="auto">to publish videos \
(full/part) of bad behavior made during </div><div dir="auto">a recorded meeting ; \
not intended to be render public on </div><div dir="auto">the first place.</div><div \
dir="auto"><br></div><div class="gmail_quote" dir="auto"><blockquote \
class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc \
solid;padding-left:1ex"><div \
style="word-wrap:break-word;line-break:after-white-space"><div><div><br></div><div>If \
a committee's meeting videos are going to be made public, the members of that \
committee</div><div>should be aware of that intent prior to the meeting. Otherwise, \
it is unfair to the members</div><div>of the committee to abruptly make public what \
they were told was a private meeting going</div><div>in and it will inhibit frank and \
honest discussion in such \
meetings.</div><div></div></div></div></blockquote></div><div \
dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">...i agree with what \
you have explained.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Thanks.</div><div \
dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Shalom, </div><div dir="auto">--sb.</div><div \
dir="auto"> </div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div class="gmail_quote" \
dir="auto"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px \
#ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div \
style="word-wrap:break-word;line-break:after-white-space"><div><div><br></div><div>Owen</div><div><br></div></div></div></blockquote></div></div>
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