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From: Daniel Yakmut via RPD <rpd () afrinic ! net>
Date: 2020-03-06 13:19:56
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To conclude this matter whether Larus Foundation has interested party
behind is not strange. I know as fact that all foundations have interested
parties funding their activities.
Take Bill Gates Foundation for example, they give all sorts of support
though they did no say we must all use or buy Microsoft products. However,
I know that there is something for Microsoft Corporation in all of it.
Therefore, if the funders behind Larus Foundation are benefitting from the
resources of Africa. They should also do some CSR, and in return they their
interest will be projected and possibly protected.
So, I think Larus Foundation is doing the usual. As simularly advocated by
my friends.
Simply
Daniel
On Fri, Mar 6, 2020, 10:00 Blaise Fyama <bfyama@gmail.com> wrote:
> Salut Taiwo,
>
> Il est vrai que les discussions sur "Qui protègent les intérêts des
> africains" commencent à friser le ridicule et ressemble de plus en plus Ã
> un ballet d'hypocrites... En effet nous connaissons bien entre africains et
> personne ici n'a le monopole du souci de l'Afrique tout le monde est
> Arficain au même titre. Dans ce débat on peut ressentir une certaine lutte
> entre la vielle garde et un nouveau vent émergeant dans la communauté
> AFRINIC. Beaucoup de questions en effet peuvent être posées sur la manière
> dont les africains choisissent d'autres africains pour assister à des
> sommets ou travaux, parfois les choix sont simplement
> tribalo-ethnico-claniques ou alors des membres de famille(qu'on se le
> dise!) et certains "protégés" qui sont conformes aux intérêts des uns et
> des autres. Arrêtons de nous intimider les uns les autres par des biais Ã
> peine voilés... Tous les systèmes de choix des boursiers sont critiquables.
> Aue chacun de nous ait l'honnêteté de le reconnaître.
>
> J'ai dit...
>
> Hi Taiwo,
> It is true that the discussions on "Who protect the interests of Africans"
> begin to border on the ridiculous and more and more looks like a ballet of
> hypocrites ... Indeed we know well between Africans and nobody here has the
> monopoly for the sake of Africa everyone is Arficain in the same way. In
> this debate we can feel a certain struggle between the old guard and a new
> wind emerging in the AFRINIC community. Many questions can indeed be asked
> about how Africans choose other Africans to attend summits or work,
> sometimes the choices are simply tribalo-ethnico-clanic or family members
> (let it be said) !) and certain "protégés" who are in accordance with each
> other's interests. Let us stop intimidating each other with barely veiled
> biases ... All the systems for choosing scholarship holders are open to
> criticism. May each of us be honest enough to recognize this.
> I said...
>
>
> Blaise FYAMA
> Msc, PhD.
> Professeur Associé
> Secrétaire Général Académique Honoraire/UL
> Doyen de la Faculté des Sciences Informatiques/UPL
> Doyen a.i de la Faculté Polytechnique/UPL
> Chef de Département Génie Electrique/ESI-UNILU
> Chef de Service Informatique/Polytech-UNILU
> Consultant Informatique BIT/PAEJK
> Tel: +243995579515
> Numéro O.N.I.CIV: 00460
>
> MSc, PhD.
>
> Associate Professor
>
> Honorary Academic Secretary General / UL
>
> Dean of the Faculty of Computer Science / UPL
>
> Dean a.i of the Polytechnic Faculty / UPL
>
> Head of Department of Electrical Engineering / ESI-UNILU
>
> IT Service Manager / Polytech-UNILU
>
> IT Consultant BIT / PAEJK
>
> Phone: +243995579515
>
> O.N.I.CIV number: 00460
>
>
> Le mar. 3 mars 2020 Ã 18:43, Taiwo Oyewande <taiwo.oyewande88@gmail.com>
> a écrit :
>
>>
>> If we want to talk about organisations being partial then let us talk
>> about partiality in all its aspects and by including all the parties
>> involved and not focus on one party.
>>
>> As I have stated severally, there is absolutely nothing wrong with an
>> organization sponsoring specific people they think are the best to
>> represent their interests. This is what fellowships are for in the first
>> place, Look it up.. This is how everything works in the world,
>> regardless of the field. partiality is an essential part of fellowships,
>> whether it's direct or indirect.
>>
>> Now that we cleared that out for probably the hundredth time, let us take
>> the IOF as an example of many. Let me quote from the IOF website : "IOF
>> organises political activities and actions of multilateral cooperation that
>> benefit French-speaking populations." The organization is literally letting
>> you know that they only spend money on a specific small group of people
>> that benefits another small group. We are talking about Africans
>> discriminating Africans, their own people. And this is not yet the funny
>> part because what's really laughable is that the IOF is only sponsoring
>> Africans based on a spoken language that is not originally theirs in the
>> first place and discriminates against people of other languages. That is
>> the bigger picture my friends. So let's be real for a second and ask
>> ourselves who is really working against the African Community and
>> dividing the unity as seen in recent weeks.
>>
>> I would really understand if this whole matter started as an innocent
>> question from someone from the community that is trying to have answers to
>> his questions or that simply doesn't agree with something, but people that
>> started this have obviously personal interests and motives that do not
>> represent the African community as a whole but rather their own as
>> individuals or groups. And we are sick and tired of us Africans being
>> played like that. Let's focus on what really matters to the community
>> because there is definitely a lot we can be productive about and help our
>> dear continent that is suffering.
>>
>>
>> Kind regards
>> Taiwo
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<div dir="auto"><div>To conclude this matter whether Larus Foundation has interested \
party behind is not strange. I know as fact that all foundations have interested \
parties funding their activities.<div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Take Bill \
Gates Foundation for example, they give all sorts of support though they did no say \
we must all use or buy Microsoft products. However, I know that there is something \
for Microsoft Corporation in all of it.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div \
dir="auto">Therefore, if the funders behind Larus Foundation are benefitting from the \
resources of Africa. They should also do some CSR, and in return they their interest \
will be projected and possibly protected.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div \
dir="auto">So, I think Larus Foundation is doing the usual. As simularly advocated by \
my friends.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div \
dir="auto">Simply</div><br>Daniel<br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr">On Fri, \
Mar 6, 2020, 10:00 Blaise Fyama <<a href="mailto:bfyama@gmail.com" target="_blank" \
rel="noreferrer">bfyama@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote \
class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc \
solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" \
style="font-family:times new roman,serif">Salut Taiwo,</div><div \
class="gmail_default" style="font-family:times new roman,serif"><br></div><div \
class="gmail_default" style="font-family:times new roman,serif">Il est vrai que les \
discussions sur "Qui protègent les intérêts des africains" commencent à \
friser le ridicule et ressemble de plus en plus à un ballet d'hypocrites... En \
effet nous connaissons bien entre africains et personne ici n'a le monopole du \
souci de l'Afrique tout le monde est Arficain au même titre. Dans ce débat on \
peut ressentir une certaine lutte entre la vielle garde et un nouveau vent émergeant \
dans la communauté AFRINIC. Beaucoup de questions en effet peuvent être posées sur \
la manière dont les africains choisissent d'autres africains pour assister à \
des sommets ou travaux, parfois les choix sont simplement tribalo-ethnico-claniques \
ou alors des membres de famille(qu'on se le dise!) et certains \
"protégés" qui sont conformes aux intérêts des uns et des autres. \
Arrêtons de nous intimider les uns les autres par des biais à peine voilés... Tous \
les systèmes de choix des boursiers sont critiquables. Aue chacun de nous ait \
l'honnêteté de le reconnaître.</div><div class="gmail_default" \
style="font-family:times new roman,serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" \
style="font-family:times new roman,serif">J'ai dit...</div><div \
class="gmail_default" style="font-family:times new roman,serif"><br></div><div \
class="gmail_default" style="font-family:times new roman,serif">Hi Taiwo,<br>It is \
true that the discussions on "Who protect the interests of Africans" begin \
to border on the ridiculous and more and more looks like a ballet of hypocrites ... \
Indeed we know well between Africans and nobody here has the monopoly for the sake of \
Africa everyone is Arficain in the same way. In this debate we can feel a certain \
struggle between the old guard and a new wind emerging in the AFRINIC community. Many \
questions can indeed be asked about how Africans choose other Africans to attend \
summits or work, sometimes the choices are simply tribalo-ethnico-clanic or family \
members (let it be said) !) and certain "protégés" who are in accordance \
with each other's interests. Let us stop intimidating each other with barely \
veiled biases ... All the systems for choosing scholarship holders are open to \
criticism. May each of us be honest enough to recognize this.<br>I \
said...<br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:times new \
roman,serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:times new \
roman,serif"><br></div><div><div dir="ltr" data-smartmail="gmail_signature"><div \
dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div \
dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div> \
<font face="times new roman, serif" size="2"> <font color="#0000ff">Blaise \
FYAMA</font></font></div><div><font face="times new roman, serif" size="2" \
color="#0000ff">Msc, PhD.</font></div><div><font face="times new roman, serif" \
size="2" color="#0000ff">Professeur Associé</font></div><div><font face="times new \
roman, serif" size="2" color="#0000ff">Secrétaire Général Académique \
Honoraire/UL</font></div><div><font face="times new roman, serif" size="2" \
color="#0000ff">Doyen de la Faculté des Sciences \
Informatiques/UPL</font></div><div><font face="times new roman, serif" size="2" \
color="#0000ff">Doyen a.i de la Faculté Polytechnique/UPL</font></div><div><font \
face="times new roman, serif" size="2" color="#0000ff">Chef de Département Génie \
Electrique/ESI-UNILU</font></div><div><font face="times new roman, serif" size="2" \
color="#0000ff">Chef de Service Informatique/Polytech-UNILU</font></div><div><font \
face="times new roman, serif" size="2" color="#0000ff">Consultant Informatique \
BIT/PAEJK</font></div><div><font face="times new roman, serif" size="2" \
color="#0000ff">Tel: +243995579515</font></div><div><font face="times new roman, \
serif" size="2" color="#0000ff">Numéro O.N.I.CIV: \
00460</font></div><div><br></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" \
style="margin-bottom:0.0001pt;line-height:normal"><span lang="EN-US"><font \
face="times new roman, serif" color="#0000ff">MSc, \
PhD.<span></span></font></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:0.0001pt;line-height:normal"><span \
lang="EN-US"><font face="times new roman, serif" color="#0000ff">Associate \
Professor<span></span></font></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:0.0001pt;line-height:normal"><span \
lang="EN-US"><font face="times new roman, serif" color="#0000ff">Honorary Academic \
Secretary General / UL<span></span></font></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:0.0001pt;line-height:normal"><span \
lang="EN-US"><font face="times new roman, serif" color="#0000ff">Dean of the Faculty \
of Computer Science / UPL<span></span></font></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:0.0001pt;line-height:normal"><span \
lang="EN-US"><font face="times new roman, serif" color="#0000ff">Dean a.i of the \
Polytechnic Faculty / UPL<span></span></font></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:0.0001pt;line-height:normal"><span \
lang="EN-US"><font face="times new roman, serif" color="#0000ff">Head of Department \
of Electrical Engineering / ESI-UNILU<span></span></font></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:0.0001pt;line-height:normal"><span \
lang="EN-US"><font face="times new roman, serif" color="#0000ff">IT Service Manager / \
Polytech-UNILU<span></span></font></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:0.0001pt;line-height:normal"><span \
lang="EN-US"><font face="times new roman, serif" color="#0000ff">IT Consultant BIT / \
PAEJK<span></span></font></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:0.0001pt;line-height:normal"><span \
lang="EN-US"><font face="times new roman, serif" color="#0000ff">Phone: \
+243995579515<span></span></font></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:0.0001pt;line-height:normal"><span \
lang="EN-US"><font face="times new roman, serif" color="#0000ff">O.N.I.CIV number: \
00460</font><font face="Bookman Old Style, \
serif"><span></span></font></span></p></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div><br></div><br><div \
class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">Le mar. 3 mars 2020 Ã 18:43, \
Taiwo Oyewande <<a href="mailto:taiwo.oyewande88@gmail.com" rel="noreferrer \
noreferrer" target="_blank">taiwo.oyewande88@gmail.com</a>> a écrit \
:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px \
0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="auto"><br><p \
class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm \
0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">If we want to talk about \
organisations being partial then let us talk about partiality in all its aspects and \
by including all the parties involved and not focus on one party.<u></u><u></u></p><p \
class="MsoNormal" style="margin:12pt \
0cm;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span lang="EN-GB">As I have \
stated severally, there is</span> absolutely nothing wrong with an organization \
sponsoring specific people they think are the best to represent their interests. This \
is what fellowships are for in the first plac<span lang="EN-GB">e,</span> Look it \
up.. This is how everything works in the world, regardless of the field. partiality \
is an essential part of fellowships, whether it's direct or \
indirect.<u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm \
12pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">Now that we cleared that out for \
probably the hundredth time, let us take the IOF as an example of many. Let me quote \
from the IOF website : "IOF organises political activities and actions of \
multilateral cooperation that benefit French-speaking populations." The organization \
is literally letting you know that they only spend money on a specific small group of \
people that benefits another small group. We are talking about Africans \
discriminating Africans, their own people. And this is not yet the funny part because \
what's really laughable is that<span lang="EN-GB"> the IOF</span> is <span \
lang="EN-GB">only </span>sponsoring Africans <span lang="EN-GB">based on a spoken \
language that is not originally theirs </span>in the first place<span lang="EN-GB"> \
and discriminates against people of other languages</span>. That is the bigger \
picture my friends. So let's be real for a second and ask ourselves who is really \
working against the <span lang="EN-GB">African Community and dividing the unity as \
seen in recent weeks.<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm \
0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">I would really understand \
if this whole matter started as an innocent question from someone from the community \
that is trying to have answers to his questions or that simply doesn't agree with \
something, but people that started this have obviously personal interests and motives \
that do not represent the African community as a whole but rather their own as \
individuals or groups. And we are sick and tired of us Africans being played like \
that. Let's focus on what really matters to the community because there is definitely \
a lot we can be productive about and help our dear continent that is suffering.<span \
lang="EN-GB"><u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm \
0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><br></p><div dir="ltr">Kind \
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