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From:       Arnaud AMELINA <amelnaud () gmail ! com>
Date:       2017-12-28 21:31:30
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+++1 to Noah, Ornela, Marcus, .....

We have seen recently cochairs concluding the last call of  the review
policy with "non confirmation  of the consensus" as some legal  issues not
fully  addressed  were raised.

It is not surprising that when all the objections on the SL-BIS proposal
have been addressed,  that  cochairs confirm this time  the consensus.

Regards

Arnaud

2017-12-28 8:36 GMT+00:00 Noah <noah@neo.co.tz>:

> On 27 Dec 2017 19:13, "Andrew Alston" <Andrew.Alston@liquidtelecom.com>
> wrote:
>
>
> a.) The fact that there were multiple requests – including from the chair
> of the board in Mauritius – to withdraw this policy – something the authors
> have not addressed
>
>
> But the authors reserved the right to uphelp their policy proposal and
> based on new recommendations from various members of the PDPWG, they
> updated their policy proposal which evolved to version.7.
>
>
> b.) The fact that entities who had already built infrastructure could not
> access sufficient space to utilize that infrastructure – vs those who had
> not yet built infrastructure who wanted the space locked up for future use
>
>
> I read "sufficient"
>
> Andrew, In times of scarcity, version.7 states below. And this is true for
> each calender year.
>
> 5.4.6 Allowable Limits
>
>
>
> 5.4.6.1 Within any 24-month period during Exhaustion Phase 1, an
> organization may receive one or more allocations/assignments totalling the
> equivalent of a /18.
>
> Pan African entities would still access more resources from their various
> local operations to meet the demands in each country of operation. But i
> stand to be corrected.
>
>
> c.) The fact that this policy is damaging to the end user and we act to
> increase penetration on the continent today rather than just protecting the
> interests of the ISPs
>
>
> How damaging is a max of /18 during period of scarcity where there is only
> less than a /8 remaining in the inventory.
>
>
> d.) The fact that this policy may well put afrinic in violation of section
> 3.4.1 of the bylaws
>
>
> How?????
>
> Anyways, that section of the bylaws says below
>
> 3.4
>
> (i) to provide the service of allocating and registering Internet
> resources for the purposes of enabling communications via open system
> network protocols and to assist in the development and growth of the
> Internet in the African region;
>
>
> And SL-BIS version 7 has cretarias of how the said allocations would be
> achieved. Please see below section of SL-BIS ver.7
>
>
> 5.4.3.1 Exhaustion Phase 1
>
>
>
> 5.4.3.1.1 During this phase, allocation/assignment of IPv4 address space
> will continue as in Pre-Exhaustion with the minimum set at /24, but the
> maximum will change from /10 to /18, subject to the provisions in 5.4.6
>
>
>
> 5.4.3.1.2 Allocations and assignments will be made from the final /8 or
> from any other IPv4 address space available to AFRINIC, until no more than
> a /11 of non-reserved space is available in the Final /8. At this point the
> exhaustion phase 2 will begin.
>
>
>
> 5.4.3.1.3 For the avoidance of doubt all applications in the process at
> this point will be evaluated as per the new policy.
>
>
>
> 5.4.3.2 Exhaustion Phase 2
>
> Exhaustion Phase 2 will start when no more than a /11 of non-reserved
> space is available from the final /8. During this phase, the maximum
> allocation/assignment size will be /22, and the minimum shall remain at
> /24, subject to the provisions in 5.4.6
>
>
>
>
> Cheers,
>
> Noah
>
>
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<div dir="ltr">+++1 to Noah, Ornela, Marcus, .....  <div><br></div><div><div>We have \
seen recently cochairs concluding the last call of   the review policy with &quot;non \
confirmation   of the consensus&quot; as some legal   issues not fully   addressed   \
were raised.</div><div><br></div><div>It is not surprising that when all the \
objections on the SL-BIS proposal have been addressed,   that   cochairs confirm this \
time   the consensus.</div><div><br></div><div>Regards  \
</div><div><br></div><div>Arnaud</div></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div \
class="gmail_quote">2017-12-28 8:36 GMT+00:00 Noah <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a \
href="mailto:noah@neo.co.tz" \
target="_blank">noah@neo.co.tz</a>&gt;</span>:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" \
style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div \
dir="auto"><span class=""><div><div data-smartmail="gmail_signature">On 27 Dec 2017 \
19:13, &quot;Andrew Alston&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:Andrew.Alston@liquidtelecom.com" \
target="_blank">Andrew.Alston@liquidtelecom.<wbr>com</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><div \
class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote \
class="m_6624292978978952801quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc \
solid;padding-left:1ex"><br> a.) The fact that there were multiple requests – \
including from the chair of the board in Mauritius – to withdraw this policy – \
something the authors have not addressed<br></blockquote></div></div></div><div \
dir="auto"><br></div></span><div dir="auto">But the authors reserved the right to \
uphelp their policy proposal and based on new recommendations from various members of \
the PDPWG, they updated their policy proposal which evolved to version.7.</div><span \
class=""><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><div \
class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote \
class="m_6624292978978952801quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc \
solid;padding-left:1ex"> b.) The fact that entities who had already built \
infrastructure could not access sufficient space to utilize that infrastructure – \
vs those who had not yet built infrastructure who wanted the space locked up for \
future use<br></blockquote></div></div></div><div dir="auto"><br></div></span><div \
dir="auto">I read &quot;sufficient&quot;</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div \
dir="auto">Andrew, In times of scarcity, version.7 states below. And this is true for \
each calender year.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><p \
style="margin-top:5px;margin-bottom:5px;color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:helvetica,arial,freesans,sans-serif;font-size:12px;background-color:rgb(238,238,238)"><span \
style="color:rgb(255,102,0)">5.4.6  Allowable Limits</span></p><p \
style="margin-top:5px;margin-bottom:5px;color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:helvetica,arial,freesans,sans-serif;background-color:rgb(238,238,238)"> \
</p><p style="margin-top:5px;margin-bottom:5px;color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:helveti \
ca,arial,freesans,sans-serif;font-size:12px;background-color:rgb(238,238,238)"><span \
style="color:rgb(255,102,0)">5.4.6.1  Within any 24-month period during Exhaustion \
Phase 1, an organization may receive one or more allocations/assignments totalling \
the equivalent of a /18.</span></p></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div \
dir="auto">Pan African entities would still access more resources from their various \
local operations to meet the demands in each country of operation. But i stand to be \
corrected.</div><span class=""><div dir="auto"><br></div><div \
dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><div class="gmail_extra"><div \
class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="m_6624292978978952801quote" style="margin:0 0 \
0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"> c.) The fact that this policy is \
damaging to the end user and we act to increase penetration on the continent today \
rather than just protecting the interests of the \
ISPs<br></blockquote></div></div></div><div dir="auto"><br></div></span><div \
dir="auto">How damaging is a max of /18 during period of scarcity where there is only \
less than a /8 remaining in the inventory.</div><span class=""><div \
dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><div \
class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote \
class="m_6624292978978952801quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc \
solid;padding-left:1ex"> d.) The fact that this policy may well put afrinic in \
violation of section 3.4.1 of the bylaws<br></blockquote></div></div></div><div \
dir="auto"><br></div></span><div dir="auto">How?????  </div><div \
dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Anyways, that section of the bylaws says \
below</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><p \
style="margin-top:5px;margin-bottom:5px;color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:helvetica,arial,freesans,sans-serif;background-color:rgb(238,238,238)">3.4 \
</p><p style="margin-top:5px;margin-bottom:5px;color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:helvetica,arial,freesans,sans-serif;background-color:rgb(238,238,238)">(i) \
to provide the service of allocating and registering Internet resources for the \
purposes of enabling communications via open system network protocols and to assist \
in the development and growth of the Internet in the African region;</p></div><div \
dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">And SL-BIS version 7 \
has cretarias of how the said allocations would be achieved. Please see below section \
of SL-BIS ver.7</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><p \
style="margin-top:5px;margin-bottom:5px;color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:helvetica,arial,freesans,sans-serif;font-size:12px;background-color:rgb(238,238,238)"><span \
style="color:rgb(255,102,0)"><br>5.4.3.1 Exhaustion Phase 1</span></p><p \
style="margin-top:5px;margin-bottom:5px;color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:helvetica,arial,freesans,sans-serif;background-color:rgb(238,238,238)"> \
</p><p style="margin-top:5px;margin-bottom:5px;color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:helveti \
ca,arial,freesans,sans-serif;font-size:12px;background-color:rgb(238,238,238)"><span \
style="color:rgb(255,102,0)">5.4.3.1.1  During this phase, allocation/assignment of \
IPv4 address space will continue as in Pre-Exhaustion with the minimum set at /24, \
but the maximum will change from /10 to /18, subject to the provisions in \
5.4.6</span></p><p style="margin-top:5px;margin-bottom:5px;color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:helvetica,arial,freesans,sans-serif;background-color:rgb(238,238,238)"> \
</p><p style="margin-top:5px;margin-bottom:5px;color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:helveti \
ca,arial,freesans,sans-serif;font-size:12px;background-color:rgb(238,238,238)"><span \
style="color:rgb(255,102,0)">5.4.3.1.2  Allocations and assignments will be made from \
the final /8 or from any other IPv4 address space available to AFRINIC, until no more \
than a /11 of non-reserved space is available in the Final /8. At this point the \
exhaustion phase 2 will begin.</span></p><p \
style="margin-top:5px;margin-bottom:5px;color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:helvetica,arial,freesans,sans-serif;background-color:rgb(238,238,238)"> \
</p><p style="margin-top:5px;margin-bottom:5px;color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:helveti \
ca,arial,freesans,sans-serif;font-size:12px;background-color:rgb(238,238,238)"><span \
style="color:rgb(255,102,0)">5.4.3.1.3  For the avoidance of doubt all applications \
in the process at this point will be evaluated as per the new policy.  </span></p><p \
style="margin-top:5px;margin-bottom:5px;color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:helvetica,arial,freesans,sans-serif;background-color:rgb(238,238,238)"> \
</p><p style="margin-top:5px;margin-bottom:5px;color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:helveti \
ca,arial,freesans,sans-serif;font-size:12px;background-color:rgb(238,238,238)"><span \
style="color:rgb(255,102,0)">5.4.3.2 Exhaustion Phase 2</span></p><p \
style="margin-top:5px;margin-bottom:5px;color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:helvetica,arial,freesans,sans-serif;font-size:12px;background-color:rgb(238,238,238)"><span \
style="color:rgb(255,102,0)">Exhaustion Phase 2 will start when no more than a /11 of \
non-reserved space is available from the final /8. During this phase, the maximum \
allocation/assignment size will be /22, and the minimum shall remain at /24, subject \
to the provisions in 5.4.6</span></p><p \
style="margin-top:5px;margin-bottom:5px;color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:helvetica,arial,freesans,sans-serif;background-color:rgb(238,238,238)"> \
</p></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div \
dir="auto">Cheers,</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Noah</div><div \
dir="auto"><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote \
class="m_6624292978978952801quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc \
solid;padding-left:1ex"></blockquote></div></div></div></div> \
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