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Subject: Re: [rpd] Inbound Policy
From: Ingrid Wijte <ingrid () ripe ! net>
Date: 2017-01-20 13:15:42
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Dear Andrew and all,
I would like to clarify that the statement at the Afrinic meeting was
based on *current* RIPE policies and procedures. There is of course the
possibility that there will be changes in the future that will affect
compatibility of the policies.
Best regards,
Ingrid Wijte
RIPE NCC
On 12/01/2017 09:55, Andrew Alston wrote:
> RIPE has already stated clearly at the meeting that they will allow
> such transfers, it's on the video transcript
>
> Andrew
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jackson Muthili [mailto:jacksonmuthi@gmail.com]
> Sent: 12 January 2017 09:15
> To: Owen DeLong <owen@delong.com>
> Cc: rpd Discussion List <rpd@afrinic.net>
> Subject: Re: [rpd] Inbound Policy
>
> Can ARIN, RIPE, APNIC provide formal clear statement to AfriNIC
> community on this?
>
> Can 1 way transfer be possible from your registry to AfriNIC after
> passing of this policy? If not the conversation is waste of community
> time.
>
> On Wed, Jan 11, 2017 at 11:32 PM, Owen DeLong <owen@delong.com> wrote:
> > As I understand it, ARIN allows transfers to APNIC because APNIC has
> a compatible reciprocal policy.
> >
> > ARIN does not, to my knowledge, allow transfers between ARIN and
> VNNIC or CNNIC.
> >
> > While it may be true that resources can be transferred
> ARIN->APNIC->{VNNIC,CNNIC}, I’ll note that there’s really little ARIN
> can do to with regards to policies about how APNIC interacts with
> other registries or subregistries. That is a matter for the APNIC
> policy community.
> >
> > Transfers are possible in both directions between ARIN and APNIC as
> well as between ARIN and RIPE.
> >
> > Owen
> >
> >> On Jan 11, 2017, at 03:17 , fransossen@yahoo.com
> <mailto:fransossen@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Hi All,
> >>
> >> On Saturday, December 31, 2016 1:01 PM, Hytham El-Nakhal
> <hytham@tra.gov.eg> wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>> I'd like to ask authors to, in addition to the staff and legal
> >>> assessment & comments on the policy proposal, address the comments
> >>> of other RIRs at the end of the policy proposal page:>
> >>> http://www.afrinic.net/en/community/policy-development/policy-propos
> >>> als/1803-inbound-transfer-policy under the header of "Tentative
> >>> Assessment from other RIRs".
> >>
> >> I am really curious for the reasoning behind the other RIR's
> statement that they would not be able to do a transfer to AFRINIC
> without reciprocity.
> >>
> >> * Tentative Assessment from other RIRs is indicative of the following:
> >> * ARIN - cannot implement - need reciprocal
> >> * RIPE - may (or may not) implement - yet to advise on details and
> requirements.
> >> * LACNIC - Not applicable as no Inter RIR transfer policy
> >>
> >> * APNIC - cannot implement - need reciprocity.
> >>
> >> APNIC is partially in that very same situation with some of their
> NIRs not allowing transfers out of their registry:
> >> https://www.apnic.net/manage-ip/manage-resources/transfer-resources/n
> >> ir-ipv4-transfer
> >>
> >> NIR Incoming Outgoing Pre-Approval
> >> VNNIC Yes No By request
> >> CNNIC Yes No By request
> >>
> >>
> >> I find it a very strange statement from APNIC and ARIN to say they
> would not allow one way transfer to AFRINIC when they allow transfers
> at the moment to one way sub-registries within APNIC region.
> >>
> >>
> >> Cheers,
> >> David Hilario
> >>
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> >
> >
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 12/01/2017 09:55, Andrew Alston
wrote:<br>
</div>
<blockquote
cite="mid:AMSPR03MB534C70AE706BADEBB15EB7FEE790@AMSPR03MB534.eurprd03.prod.outlook.com"
type="cite">RIPE has already stated clearly at the meeting that
they will allow such transfers, it's on the video transcript<br>
<br>
Andrew<br>
<br>
<br>
-----Original Message-----<br>
From: Jackson Muthili [<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" \
href="mailto:jacksonmuthi@gmail.com">mailto:jacksonmuthi@gmail.com</a>] <br> Sent: \
12 January 2017 09:15<br>
To: Owen DeLong <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" \
href="mailto:owen@delong.com"><owen@delong.com></a><br>
Cc: rpd Discussion List <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" \
href="mailto:rpd@afrinic.net"><rpd@afrinic.net></a><br> Subject: Re: [rpd] \
Inbound Policy<br> <br>
Can ARIN, RIPE, APNIC provide formal clear statement to AfriNIC
community on this?<br>
<br>
Can 1 way transfer be possible from your registry to AfriNIC after
passing of this policy? If not the conversation is waste of
community time.<br>
<br>
On Wed, Jan 11, 2017 at 11:32 PM, Owen DeLong
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" \
href="mailto:owen@delong.com"><owen@delong.com></a> wrote:<br> > As I \
understand it, ARIN allows transfers to APNIC because APNIC has a compatible \
reciprocal policy.<br> ><br>
> ARIN does not, to my knowledge, allow transfers between ARIN
and VNNIC or CNNIC.<br>
><br>
> While it may be true that resources can be transferred
ARIN->APNIC->{VNNIC,CNNIC}, I’ll note that there’s really
little ARIN can do to with regards to policies about how APNIC
interacts with other registries or subregistries. That is a matter
for the APNIC policy community.<br>
><br>
> Transfers are possible in both directions between ARIN and
APNIC as well as between ARIN and RIPE.<br>
><br>
> Owen<br>
><br>
>> On Jan 11, 2017, at 03:17 , <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:fransossen@yahoo.com">fransossen@yahoo.com</a>
wrote:<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> Hi All,<br>
>><br>
>> On Saturday, December 31, 2016 1:01 PM, Hytham El-Nakhal
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" \
href="mailto:hytham@tra.gov.eg"><hytham@tra.gov.eg></a> wrote:<br> \
>><br> >><br>
>>> I'd like to ask authors to, in addition to the staff
and legal <br>
>>> assessment & comments on the policy proposal,
address the comments <br>
>>> of other RIRs at the end of the policy proposal
page:> <br>
>>> <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.afrinic.net/en/community/policy-development/policy-propos"
target="_blank">http://www.afrinic.net/en/community/policy-development/policy-propos</a><br>
>>> als/1803-inbound-transfer-policy under the header of
"Tentative <br>
>>> Assessment from other RIRs".<br>
>><br>
>> I am really curious for the reasoning behind the other
RIR's statement that they would not be able to do a transfer to
AFRINIC without reciprocity.<br>
>><br>
>> * Tentative Assessment from other RIRs is indicative of
the following:<br>
>> * ARIN - cannot implement - need reciprocal<br>
>> * RIPE - may (or may not) implement - yet to advise on
details and requirements.<br>
>> * LACNIC - Not applicable as no Inter RIR transfer policy<br>
>><br>
>> * APNIC - cannot implement - need reciprocity.<br>
>><br>
>> APNIC is partially in that very same situation with some
of their NIRs not allowing transfers out of their registry:<br>
>> <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="https://www.apnic.net/manage-ip/manage-resources/transfer-resources/n"
target="_blank">https://www.apnic.net/manage-ip/manage-resources/transfer-resources/n</a><br>
>> ir-ipv4-transfer<br>
>><br>
>> NIR Incoming Outgoing Pre-Approval<br>
>> VNNIC Yes No By request<br>
>> CNNIC Yes No By request<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> I find it a very strange statement from APNIC and ARIN to
say they would not allow one way transfer to AFRINIC when they
allow transfers at the moment to one way sub-registries within
APNIC region.<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> Cheers,<br>
>> David Hilario<br>
>><br>
>> _______________________________________________<br>
>> RPD mailing list<br>
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target="_blank">https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/rpd</a><br>
><br>
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