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Subject: Re: [rpd] [Community-Discuss] Bylaws changes
From: Bope Domilongo Christian <christianbope () gmail ! com>
Date: 2016-11-09 16:01:19
Message-ID: CAN7nxtMz=_0yHAJ4=J1Ss0PdJijtR=dpA0rdbrpPBpYgHaHiug () mail ! gmail ! com
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[Speaking on my own capacity]
I would have loved to not get involved in this discussion about Board and
PDP. But I think it is important to consider keeping the PDP, Buttom-up,
Community Driven and Consensus based. And any policy adopted by the Board
if need be shall go to the PDP for consideration.
Regards,
Bope
On 9 November 2016 at 23:48, Arnaud AMELINA <amelnaud@gmail.com> wrote:
> Le 9 nov. 2016 13:33, "Alan Barrett" <alan.barrett@afrinic.net> a écrit :
> >
> >
> > > On 9 Nov 2016, at 18:36, ALAIN AINA <aalain@trstech.net> wrote:
> > >
> > > What i am sensing here is Board being involved in the "rough
> consensus" process of the PDPWG which is different from board adopting its
> own policies which shall be submitted to the community for endorsement.
> > >
> > > Ok. In case of deadlock as described above and if the board made the
> decision over policy proposals being discussed, why bring the adopted
> policy back to the same community for endorsement ?
> >
> > There are two ways to make policy:
> >
> > The normal way: Policy is made by the community and ratified by the
> Board. See Bylaws 11.2 and 11.3, and the PDP.
> >
> > The unusual way: Policy is made by the Board and endorsed by the
> community. See Bylaws 11.4 and 11.5.
> >
> > The changes under discussion do not affect the normal process (PDP, and
> Bylaws 11.2 and 11.3). The changes under discussion are intended to
> prevent the Board from abusing the unusual process (Bylaws 11.4 and 11.5).
> >
> > My example (not quoted) was intended to illustrate why it is sometimes
> a good idea to let the Baord adopt policies that do not reach rough
> consensus.
> >
> It seems to me that the problem that Alain is raising, is board
> involvement in adoption of Policy proposals which do not reach rough
> consensus for adoption at the PDPWG level .
>
> Regards
>
> Arnaud
>
> >
> > Alan Barrett
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<div dir="ltr"><div><div><div>[Speaking on my own capacity]<br><br></div>I would have \
loved to not get involved in this discussion about Board and PDP. But I
think it is important to consider keeping the PDP, Buttom-up, Community
Driven and Consensus based. And any policy adopted by the Board if need
be shall go to the PDP for consideration.<br><br></div>Regards,<br></div>Bope \
</div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On 9 November 2016 at \
23:48, Arnaud AMELINA <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:amelnaud@gmail.com" \
target="_blank">amelnaud@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote \
class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc \
solid;padding-left:1ex"><p dir="ltr"></p> <p dir="ltr"><span class="">Le 9 nov. 2016 \
13:33, "Alan Barrett" <<a href="mailto:alan.barrett@afrinic.net" \
target="_blank">alan.barrett@afrinic.net</a>> a écrit :<br> ><br>
><br>
> > On 9 Nov 2016, at 18:36, ALAIN AINA <<a href="mailto:aalain@trstech.net" \
target="_blank">aalain@trstech.net</a>> wrote:<br> > ><br>
> > What i am sensing here is Board being involved in the "rough consensus" \
process of the PDPWG which is different from board adopting its own policies which \
shall be submitted to the community for endorsement.<br> > ><br>
> > Ok. In case of deadlock as described above and if the board made the \
decision over policy proposals being discussed, why bring the adopted policy back \
to the same community for endorsement ?<br> ><br>
> There are two ways to make policy:<br>
><br>
> The normal way: Policy is made by the community and ratified by the Board. See \
Bylaws 11.2 and 11.3, and the PDP.<br> ><br>
> The unusual way: Policy is made by the Board and endorsed by the community. \
See Bylaws 11.4 and 11.5.<br> ><br>
> The changes under discussion do not affect the normal process (PDP, and Bylaws \
11.2 and 11.3). The changes under discussion are intended to prevent the Board from \
abusing the unusual process (Bylaws 11.4 and 11.5).<br> ><br>
> My example (not quoted) was intended to illustrate why it is sometimes a good \
idea to let the Baord adopt policies that do not reach rough consensus.<br> \
><br></span> It seems to me that the problem that Alain is raising, is board \
involvement in adoption of Policy proposals which do not reach rough consensus for \
adoption at the PDPWG level . </p> <p dir="ltr">Regards </p>
<p dir="ltr">Arnaud <br></p>
<p dir="ltr">><br>
> Alan Barrett<br>
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