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From:       Keshwarsingh Nadan <keshwarsingh.nadan () millenium ! mu>
Date:       2014-10-27 16:07:38
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I guess it will be really easy to put "Africa First" when it comes to business, the \
day internet access is ‘truly' deregulated.

I sign the preference of being prudent and wise to exploit our resources and such \
markets to bridge the gaps.

From: Kofi ANSA AKUFO [mailto:kofi.ansa@gmail.com]
Sent: 27 October 2014 19:49
To: Keshwarsingh Nadan
Cc: rpd List; h.lu@anytimechinese.com
Subject: Re: [rpd] Afrinic policy proposal—Afrinic Service guild lines

Keshwarsingh

On 27 October 2014 18:31, Keshwarsingh Nadan \
<keshwarsingh.nadan@millenium.mu<mailto:keshwarsingh.nadan@millenium.mu>> wrote: A \
mobile telco operator in our region would never achieve such a usage due to:


a)      Bandwidth pricing over HSDPA/HSPA or whatever technology is crazy.

b)      Most of them still use carrier grade nat.

The company I worked for previously (ARIN region) would eat up a /13 quarterly, VPN \
services sold on the Asian market. ARIN never cared about content beneficial to their \
region or whatsoever.

Exactly but we face different challenges in our region one of them being the level of \
ICT infrastucture development. Its stragtegically wrong to align or follow such \
policies.

It will be prudent and wise to exploit our resources and such markets to bridge the \
gaps - (build solid infrastrucutres in our region, create jobs etc). I guess its \
difficult to put "Africa First" when it comes business right?


I believe same applies to our service region, unless of course a policy specifying \
‘resources are evaluated based on beneficial content to our region' ?

From: Kofi ANSA AKUFO [mailto:kofi.ansa@gmail.com<mailto:kofi.ansa@gmail.com>]
Sent: 27 October 2014 15:34
To: Keshwarsingh Nadan
Cc: rpd List; h.lu@anytimechinese.com<mailto:h.lu@anytimechinese.com>
Subject: RE: [rpd] Afrinic policy proposal—Afrinic Service guild lines


Hi Keshwarsingh,

On Oct 27, 2014 2:22 PM, "Keshwarsingh Nadan" \
<keshwarsingh.nadan@millenium.mu<mailto:keshwarsingh.nadan@millenium.mu>> wrote:
> 
> Exhausting a /12 within a year is nothing.. In other words, Lu's business is \
> flourishing. 
> 

In deed "its nothing" - the last time I checked not even a mobile telco had achieved \
that in our region.

We must be tapping ourselves on the shoulder then if this translates to content \
beneficial to our region.

> 
> From: rpd-bounces@afrinic.net<mailto:rpd-bounces@afrinic.net> \
> [mailto:rpd-bounces@afrinic.net<mailto:rpd-bounces@afrinic.net>] On Behalf Of Kofi \
>                 ANSA AKUFO
> Sent: 27 October 2014 13:25
> To: Lu
> Cc: rpd
> Subject: Re: [rpd] Afrinic policy proposal—Afrinic Service guild lines
> 
> 
> 
> Hello Lu
> 
> 
> 
> On 27 October 2014 08:51, Lu \
> <h.lu@anytimechinese.com<mailto:h.lu@anytimechinese.com>> wrote: 
> Hi
> 
> W have been told our allocation is "under board review" for past 2 month, I wonder \
> how's that to be possible if board ha nothing to do with this? 
> 
> 
> Amazing you have exhausted the /12 IPv4 (over a million IPv4 addresses) Allocated \
> to you within a year and requesting for more. What size are you requesting now? 
> 
> > 
> > This transmission is intended solely for the addressee(s) shown above.
> > It may contain information that is privileged, confidential or
> > otherwise protected from disclosure. Any review, dissemination or use
> > of this transmission or its contents by persons other than the intended \
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> > error, please notify this office immediately and e-mail the original at the \
> > sender's address above by replying to this message and including the text of the \
> > transmission received. 
> > > On 2014年10月27日, at 上午4:13, Bill Woodcock \
> > > <woody@pch.net<mailto:woody@pch.net>> wrote: 
> > > 
> > > On Oct 27, 2014, at 3:22 AM, David Conrad \
> > > <drc@virtualized.org<mailto:drc@virtualized.org>> wrote:
> > > > > 5.Unless otherwise appealed, Afrinic board should not be directly involved \
> > > > > in IP allocation process.
> > > > 
> > > > Agreed, although I do not think the board should be involved in appeals.
> > > > 
> > > > It used to be that in at least two other RIRs that I'm familiar with (APNIC \
> > > > and ARIN), the board would _never_ be directly involved in the IP allocation \
> > > > process.  The role of the boards of those two RIRs was to ensure the policy \
> > > > development process was followed correctly and to be ultimately responsible \
> > > > for the operation of the organization. I don't know if that's still the case.
> > > 
> > > That is the case.  In ARIN, there is an explicit wall between the board and the \
> > > resource allocation process, so that the board is never involved in specific \
> > > resource requests, reviews, or fulfillment.  I believe that to be the case in \
> > > other RIRs as well. 
> > > -Bill
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span \
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">I \
guess it will be really easy to put "Africa First" when it comes to business, the day \
internet access is ‘truly' deregulated.<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p \
class="MsoNormal"><span \
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
 <p class="MsoNormal"><span \
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">I \
sign the preference of being prudent and wise to exploit our resources and such \
markets to bridge the gaps.<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span \
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
 <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="EN-US" \
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">From:</span></b><span \
lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"> \
Kofi ANSA AKUFO [mailto:kofi.ansa@gmail.com] <br>
<b>Sent:</b> 27 October 2014 19:49<br>
<b>To:</b> Keshwarsingh Nadan<br>
<b>Cc:</b> rpd List; h.lu@anytimechinese.com<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [rpd] Afrinic policy proposal—Afrinic Service guild \
lines<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Keshwarsingh<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On 27 October 2014 18:31, Keshwarsingh Nadan &lt;<a \
href="mailto:keshwarsingh.nadan@millenium.mu" \
target="_blank">keshwarsingh.nadan@millenium.mu</a>&gt; wrote:<o:p></o:p></p> <div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span \
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">A \
mobile telco operator in our region would never achieve such a usage due \
to:</span><o:p></o:p></p> <p class="MsoNormal" \
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span \
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p>
 <p><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">a)</span><span \
style="font-size:7.0pt">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; </span><span \
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">Bandwidth \
pricing over HSDPA/HSPA or whatever technology is crazy.</span><o:p></o:p></p> \
<p><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">b)</span><span \
style="font-size:7.0pt">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; </span><span \
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">Most \
of them still use carrier grade nat.</span><o:p></o:p></p> <p class="MsoNormal" \
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span \
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p>
 <p class="MsoNormal" \
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span \
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">The \
company I worked for previously (ARIN region) would eat up a /13 quarterly, VPN \
services sold on the Asian  market. ARIN never cared about content beneficial to \
their region or whatsoever.</span><o:p></o:p></p> </div>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">Exactly but we face different \
challenges in our region one of them being the level of ICT infrastucture \
development. Its stragtegically wrong to align or follow such policies.<br> <br>
It will be prudent and wise to exploit our resources and such markets to bridge the \
gaps - (build solid infrastrucutres in our region, create jobs etc).<o:p></o:p></p> \
</div> <div>
<p class="MsoNormal">I guess its difficult to put &quot;Africa First&quot; when it \
comes business right?<o:p></o:p></p> </div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>
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style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span \
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">I \
believe same applies to our service region, unless of course a policy specifying \
‘resources are evaluated based  on beneficial content to our region' \
?</span><o:p></o:p></p> <p class="MsoNormal" \
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span \
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><b><span lang="EN-US" \
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">From:</span></b><span \
lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"> \
Kofi  ANSA AKUFO [mailto:<a href="mailto:kofi.ansa@gmail.com" \
target="_blank">kofi.ansa@gmail.com</a>] <br>
<b>Sent:</b> 27 October 2014 15:34<br>
<b>To:</b> Keshwarsingh Nadan<br>
<b>Cc:</b> rpd List; <a href="mailto:h.lu@anytimechinese.com" \
target="_blank">h.lu@anytimechinese.com</a><br> <b>Subject:</b> RE: [rpd] Afrinic \
policy proposal—Afrinic Service guild lines</span><o:p></o:p></p> <p \
class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>
 <p>Hi Keshwarsingh,<o:p></o:p></p>
<p>On Oct 27, 2014 2:22 PM, &quot;Keshwarsingh Nadan&quot; &lt;<a \
href="mailto:keshwarsingh.nadan@millenium.mu" \
target="_blank">keshwarsingh.nadan@millenium.mu</a>&gt; wrote:<br> &gt;<br>
&gt; Exhausting a /12 within a year is nothing.. In other words, Lu's business is \
flourishing.<br> &gt;<br>
&gt;<o:p></o:p></p>
<p>In deed &quot;its nothing&quot; - the last time I checked not even a mobile telco \
had achieved that in our region.<o:p></o:p></p> <p>We must be tapping ourselves on \
the shoulder then if this translates to content beneficial to our region.<br> \
&nbsp;<br> &gt;<br>
&gt; From: <a href="mailto:rpd-bounces@afrinic.net" \
target="_blank">rpd-bounces@afrinic.net</a> [mailto:<a \
href="mailto:rpd-bounces@afrinic.net" target="_blank">rpd-bounces@afrinic.net</a>] On \
Behalf Of Kofi ANSA AKUFO<br> &gt; Sent: 27 October 2014 13:25<br>
&gt; To: Lu<br>
&gt; Cc: rpd<br>
&gt; Subject: Re: [rpd] Afrinic policy proposal—Afrinic Service guild lines<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; &nbsp;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; Hello Lu<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; &nbsp;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; On 27 October 2014 08:51, Lu &lt;<a href="mailto:h.lu@anytimechinese.com" \
target="_blank">h.lu@anytimechinese.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br> &gt;<br>
&gt; Hi<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; W have been told our allocation is &quot;under board review&quot; for past 2 \
month, I wonder how's that to be possible if board ha nothing to do with this?<br> \
&gt;<br> &gt; &nbsp;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; Amazing you have exhausted the /12 IPv4 (over a million IPv4 addresses) \
Allocated to you within a year and requesting for more. What size are you requesting \
now?<br> &gt;<br>
&gt; &nbsp;<br>
&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt; This transmission is intended solely for the addressee(s) shown above.<br>
&gt;&gt; It may contain information that is privileged, confidential or<br>
&gt;&gt; otherwise protected from disclosure. Any review, dissemination or use<br>
&gt;&gt; of this transmission or its contents by persons other than the intended \
addressee(s) is strictly prohibited. If you have received this transmission in error, \
please notify this office immediately and e-mail the original at the sender's address \
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received.<br> &gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt; &gt; On 2014<span style="font-family:&quot;MS \
Gothic&quot;">年</span>10<span style="font-family:&quot;MS \
Gothic&quot;">月</span>27<span style="font-family:&quot;MS Gothic&quot;">日</span>, \
at <span style="font-family:&quot;MS Gothic&quot;">上午</span>4:13, Bill Woodcock \
&lt;<a href="mailto:woody@pch.net" target="_blank">woody@pch.net</a>&gt; wrote:<br> \
&gt;&gt; &gt;<br> &gt;&gt; &gt;<br>
&gt;&gt; &gt; On Oct 27, 2014, at 3:22 AM, David Conrad &lt;<a \
href="mailto:drc@virtualized.org" target="_blank">drc@virtualized.org</a>&gt; \
wrote:<br> &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt; 5.Unless otherwise appealed, Afrinic board should \
not be directly involved in IP allocation process.<br> &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; Agreed, although I do not think the board should be involved in \
appeals.<br> &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; It used to be that in at least two other RIRs that I'm familiar \
with (APNIC and ARIN), the board would _never_ be directly involved in the IP \
allocation process.&nbsp; The role of the boards of those two RIRs was to ensure the \
policy development process was  followed correctly and to be ultimately responsible \
for the operation of the organization. I don't know if that's still the case.<br> \
&gt;&gt; &gt;<br> &gt;&gt; &gt; That is the case.&nbsp; In ARIN, there is an explicit \
wall between the board and the resource allocation process, so that the board is \
never involved in specific resource requests, reviews, or fulfillment.&nbsp; I \
believe that to be the case in other RIRs as well.<br> &gt;&gt; &gt;<br>
&gt;&gt; &gt;&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; \
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; -Bill<br> &gt;&gt; &gt;<br>
&gt;&gt; &gt;<br>
&gt;&gt; &gt;<br>
&gt;&gt; &gt;<br>
&gt;&gt; &gt; _______________________________________________<br>
&gt;&gt; &gt; rpd mailing list<br>
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https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo.cgi/rpd</a><br> &gt;&gt; \
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&gt; &nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>
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