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From:       Dr Yassin Mshana <ymshana2003 () gmail ! com>
Date:       2012-07-29 20:36:28
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Hi

Many thanks for this. It is good to see that now we are looking into
Operations Schedule of this contested gTLD.

- Africa is Great!!

Let us keep on moving...

Kind regards

Yassin

On 29 July 2012 18:43, Gideon <gideonrop@gmail.com> wrote:

> Members,
>
> We have seen from the published parts of Uniforum's application that they
> intend to charge US$18.00 per domain name. This is quite high considering
> that DCA intends to charge US$10.00 per standard domain name. ICANN
> Registry fees are meant to be paid by every registry operator so this
> applies to everybody. Uniforum's proposed charges are therefore very
> exorbitant. Perhaps, they intend to use most of the money to pay SEDARI,
> ARI Registry services, so undoubtedly, a lot of the money will be flowing
> outside Africa to Australia, not forgetting that the directors of DNS (Pty)
> Ltd. will also be taking a lot for themselves.
>
>
> Thank you.
>
>
> On Sun, Jul 29, 2012 at 3:56 PM, <africann-request@afrinic.net> wrote:
>
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>>    1. Re: Help with .africa history (Mark Elkins)
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>>    3. Re: Help with .africa history (Mark Elkins)
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>> Message: 1
>> Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2012 13:28:00 +0200
>> From: Mark Elkins <mje@posix.co.za>
>>
>> Subject: Re: [AfrICANN-discuss] Help with .africa history
>> To: Pierre Lotis NANKEP <lnankep@yahoo.fr>, africann@afrinic.net
>> Message-ID: <1343561280.8173.76.camel@mjelap.posix.co.za>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>>
>> On Sun, 2012-07-29 at 10:55 +0100, Pierre Lotis NANKEP wrote:
>> > Dear community,
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Without any doubt : All this (virtual) battle is about money...
>> Running a gTLD definitely has a money component - but its not the only
>> one.
>> UniForum already has a good track record with spending surplus funds on
>> outreach, an example being two schools a month are given a Computer Lab.
>> UniForum has stated its registry system fee would be about 1$ per domain
>> - the rest of the fee is for outreach purposes (after paying back
>> UniForum's loan for the application). So almost all of the money stays
>> in Africa. UniForum has been operating "CO.ZA" for the past 16 years and
>> is trusted by the local community.
>>
>> DCA has indicated they will use a UK company to run the registry system
>> - money will leave Africa. I believe they have "investors" so money will
>> continue to flow to these people many years from now.
>>
>> > If the interest of the African community was the priority, why DCA or
>> > UNIFORUM (AfricaInOneSpace or African Union) did not applied also
>> > for :
>>
>> Fair comment - perhaps we are all hoping that ICANN will be more
>> generous in the second round of gTLD applications. ICANN wanted the same
>> fee per "string".
>>
>> > With respect to ICANN and his guidebook that some consider to be the
>> > Bible or the Koran, on the pretext that it was realized by the
>> > contribution of the entire global Internet community, I think this
>> > document could be improved : the registration for a new geoTLD should
>> > automatically caused the registration in other codified languages in
>> > this geographical area.
>>
>> Well - its their business so we should observe their rules. I totally
>> agree about the languages though. ICANN does listen to what the Industry
>> says though. Make your voice heard - join the "At Large" community.
>>
>> > To return to the issue of dotAfrica, the Steering Committee of DCA or
>> > AfricaInOneSpace is not representative enough. The multi-stakeholder
>> > model is not balanced. All Africa sub-regions should be represented in
>> > the Steering Committees. All this leads us to ask questions about the
>> > final aim.
>>
>> Have you checked? "http://africainonespace.org" lists seven out of of
>> the twelve SteerCom members. North, South, East and West are
>> represented. There is also some gender balance and people are from
>> different parts of the Internet industry. A bigger Steercom would
>> probably be more inefficient.
>>
>> > To prove to the African community their good intention,  DCA or
>> > AfricaInOneSpace websites must be available in all major languages
>> > used in Africa (English, Arabic, French, Portuguese, Spanish, etc.).
>>
>> http://africainonespace.org is already available in English, French and
>> Portuguese. Arabic is currently in progress. There is only one African
>> country who's official language is Spanish and I'm sure that'll happen
>> one day too.
>>
>> --
>>   .  .     ___. .__      Posix Systems - (South) Africa
>>  /| /|       / /__       mje@posix.co.za  -  Mark J Elkins, Cisco CCIE
>> / |/ |ARK \_/ /__ LKINS  Tel: +27 12 807 0590  Cell: +27 82 601 0496
>>
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>> Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2012 13:36:17 +0200
>> From: Mark Elkins <mje@posix.co.za>
>> Subject: Re: [AfrICANN-discuss] Fwd: [AfrICANN-44] Africa Strategic
>>         plan
>> To: africann@afrinic.net
>> Message-ID: <1343561777.8173.82.camel@mjelap.posix.co.za>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>>
>> On Sun, 2012-07-29 at 09:05 +0000, Fatimata Seye Sylla wrote:
>> > Hello All,
>> >
>> >
>> > As one of the seniors on this African list and with due respect to all
>> > of you, may I humbly ask each of you to please take it easy for the
>> > better of Africa?  It is a good thing to discuss issues for better
>> > understanding.  Brothers and sisters always argue but should never
>> > consider themselves as enemies. should they?
>> >
>> >
>> > We are all brothers and sisters, working together for Africa. We are
>> > in a good move now that we  have understood our mistakes.  We have a
>> > deadline to meet, so please let's try to be more constructive and
>> > avoid to harm each other on this list.  We have work to do, let's be
>> > more constructive and let's move forward.for this strategy draft.
>> >  Everyone should provide inputs from now on.
>>
>> I totally agree with you.
>>
>> We all want a single, united "Africa" domain name (just perhaps one day
>> also available in different languages)
>>
>>
>> --
>>   .  .     ___. .__      Posix Systems - (South) Africa
>>  /| /|       / /__       mje@posix.co.za  -  Mark J Elkins, Cisco CCIE
>> / |/ |ARK \_/ /__ LKINS  Tel: +27 12 807 0590  Cell: +27 82 601 0496
>>
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>> Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2012 14:53:17 +0200
>> From: Mark Elkins <mje@posix.co.za>
>>
>> Subject: Re: [AfrICANN-discuss] Help with .africa history
>> To: africann@afrinic.net
>> Message-ID: <1343566397.8173.105.camel@mjelap.posix.co.za>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>>
>> On Sun, 2012-07-29 at 13:28 +0200, Mark Elkins wrote:
>>
>> > DCA has indicated they will use a UK company to run the registry system
>> > - money will leave Africa. I believe they have "investors" so money will
>> > continue to flow to these people many years from now.
>>
>> I'm sorry, I shouldn't be guessing about DCA.
>>
>> UniForums costs would be higher too - especially if including the cost
>> of another ICANN round for a number of strings for "africa" variations
>> - etc. There are also yearly fees for ICANN - etc.
>>
>> --
>>   .  .     ___. .__      Posix Systems - (South) Africa
>>  /| /|       / /__       mje@posix.co.za  -  Mark J Elkins, Cisco CCIE
>> / |/ |ARK \_/ /__ LKINS  Tel: +27 12 807 0590  Cell: +27 82 601 0496
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Hi<div><br></div><div>Many thanks for this. It is good to see that now we are looking \
into Operations Schedule of this contested gTLD.  </div><div><br></div><div>- Africa \
is Great!!</div><div><br></div><div>Let us keep on moving...</div> \
<div><br></div><div>Kind regards</div><div><br></div><div>Yassin<br><br><div \
class="gmail_quote">On 29 July 2012 18:43, Gideon <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a \
href="mailto:gideonrop@gmail.com" target="_blank">gideonrop@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> \
wrote:<br> <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px \
#ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Members,<br><br>

<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;line-height:115%">We have seen
from the published parts of Uniforum&#39;s application that they intend to charge
US$18.00 per domain name. This is quite high considering that DCA intends to
charge US$10.00 per standard domain name. ICANN Registry fees are meant to be
paid by every registry operator so this applies to everybody. Uniforum&#39;s
proposed charges are therefore very exorbitant. Perhaps, they intend to use
most of the money to pay SEDARI, ARI Registry services, so undoubtedly, a lot
of the money will be flowing outside Africa to Australia, not forgetting that
the directors of DNS (Pty) Ltd. will also be taking a lot for \
themselves.</span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><br><span \
style="font-size:10.0pt;line-height:115%"></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span \
style="font-size:10.0pt;line-height:115%">Thank you.<br>


</span></p>

<br><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div class="im">On Sun, Jul 29, 2012 at 3:56 PM,  \
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target="_blank">africann-request@afrinic.net</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br></div> \
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     1. Re: Help with .africa history (Mark Elkins)<br>
     2. Re: Fwd: [AfrICANN-44] Africa Strategic plan (Mark Elkins)<br>
     3. Re: Help with .africa history (Mark Elkins)<br>
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Message: 1<br>
Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2012 13:28:00 +0200<br>
From: Mark Elkins &lt;<a href="mailto:mje@posix.co.za" \
                target="_blank">mje@posix.co.za</a>&gt;<div class="im"><br>
Subject: Re: [AfrICANN-discuss] Help with .africa history<br></div>
To: Pierre Lotis NANKEP &lt;<a href="mailto:lnankep@yahoo.fr" \
target="_blank">lnankep@yahoo.fr</a>&gt;, <a href="mailto:africann@afrinic.net" \
                target="_blank">africann@afrinic.net</a><br>
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On Sun, 2012-07-29 at 10:55 +0100, Pierre Lotis NANKEP wrote:<br>
&gt; Dear community,<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; Without any doubt : All this (virtual) battle is about money...<br>
Running a gTLD definitely has a money component - but its not the only<br>
one.<br>
UniForum already has a good track record with spending surplus funds on<br>
outreach, an example being two schools a month are given a Computer Lab.<br>
UniForum has stated its registry system fee would be about 1$ per domain<br>
- the rest of the fee is for outreach purposes (after paying back<br>
UniForum&#39;s loan for the application). So almost all of the money stays<br>
in Africa. UniForum has been operating &quot;<a href="http://CO.ZA" \
target="_blank">CO.ZA</a>&quot; for the past 16 years and<br> is trusted by the local \
community.<br> <br>
DCA has indicated they will use a UK company to run the registry system<br>
- money will leave Africa. I believe they have &quot;investors&quot; so money \
will<br> continue to flow to these people many years from now.<br>
<br>
&gt; If the interest of the African community was the priority, why DCA or<br>
&gt; UNIFORUM (AfricaInOneSpace or African Union) did not applied also<br>
&gt; for :<br>
<br>
Fair comment - perhaps we are all hoping that ICANN will be more<br>
generous in the second round of gTLD applications. ICANN wanted the same<br>
fee per &quot;string&quot;.<br>
<br>
&gt; With respect to ICANN and his guidebook that some consider to be the<br>
&gt; Bible or the Koran, on the pretext that it was realized by the<br>
&gt; contribution of the entire global Internet community, I think this<br>
&gt; document could be improved : the registration for a new geoTLD should<br>
&gt; automatically caused the registration in other codified languages in<br>
&gt; this geographical area.<br>
<br>
Well - its their business so we should observe their rules. I totally<br>
agree about the languages though. ICANN does listen to what the Industry<br>
says though. Make your voice heard - join the &quot;At Large&quot; community.<br>
<br>
&gt; To return to the issue of dotAfrica, the Steering Committee of DCA or<br>
&gt; AfricaInOneSpace is not representative enough. The multi-stakeholder<br>
&gt; model is not balanced. All Africa sub-regions should be represented in<br>
&gt; the Steering Committees. All this leads us to ask questions about the<br>
&gt; final aim.<br>
<br>
Have you checked? &quot;<a href="http://africainonespace.org" \
target="_blank">http://africainonespace.org</a>&quot; lists seven out of of<br> the \
twelve SteerCom members. North, South, East and West are<br> represented. There is \
also some gender balance and people are from<br> different parts of the Internet \
industry. A bigger Steercom would<br> probably be more inefficient.<br>
<br>
&gt; To prove to the African community their good intention,   DCA or<br>
&gt; AfricaInOneSpace websites must be available in all major languages<br>
&gt; used in Africa (English, Arabic, French, Portuguese, Spanish, etc.).<br>
<br>
<a href="http://africainonespace.org" target="_blank">http://africainonespace.org</a> \
is already available in English, French and<br> Portuguese. Arabic is currently in \
progress. There is only one African<br> country who&#39;s official language is \
Spanish and I&#39;m sure that&#39;ll happen<br> one day too.<br>
<br>
--<br>
   .   .       ___. .__         Posix Systems - (South) Africa<br>
  /| /|          / /__          <a href="mailto:mje@posix.co.za" \
target="_blank">mje@posix.co.za</a>   -   Mark J Elkins, Cisco CCIE<br> / |/ |ARK \_/ \
/__ LKINS   Tel: <a href="tel:%2B27%2012%20807%200590" value="+27128070590" \
target="_blank">+27 12 807 0590</a>   Cell: <a href="tel:%2B27%2082%20601%200496" \
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On Sun, 2012-07-29 at 09:05 +0000, Fatimata Seye Sylla wrote:<br>
&gt; Hello All,<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; As one of the seniors on this African list and with due respect to all<br>
&gt; of you, may I humbly ask each of you to please take it easy for the<br>
&gt; better of Africa?   It is a good thing to discuss issues for better<br>
&gt; understanding.   Brothers and sisters always argue but should never<br>
&gt; consider themselves as enemies. should they?<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; We are all brothers and sisters, working together for Africa. We are<br>
&gt; in a good move now that we   have understood our mistakes.   We have a<br>
&gt; deadline to meet, so please let&#39;s try to be more constructive and<br>
&gt; avoid to harm each other on this list.   We have work to do, let&#39;s be<br>
&gt; more constructive and let&#39;s move forward.for this strategy draft.<br>
&gt;   Everyone should provide inputs from now on.<br>
<br>
I totally agree with you.<br>
<br>
We all want a single, united &quot;Africa&quot; domain name (just perhaps one day<br>
also available in different languages)<br>
<br>
<br>
--<br>
   .   .       ___. .__         Posix Systems - (South) Africa<br>
  /| /|          / /__          <a href="mailto:mje@posix.co.za" \
target="_blank">mje@posix.co.za</a>   -   Mark J Elkins, Cisco CCIE<br> / |/ |ARK \_/ \
/__ LKINS   Tel: <a href="tel:%2B27%2012%20807%200590" value="+27128070590" \
target="_blank">+27 12 807 0590</a>   Cell: <a href="tel:%2B27%2082%20601%200496" \
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Subject: Re: [AfrICANN-discuss] Help with .africa history<br></div>
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On Sun, 2012-07-29 at 13:28 +0200, Mark Elkins wrote:<br>
<br>
&gt; DCA has indicated they will use a UK company to run the registry system<br>
&gt; - money will leave Africa. I believe they have &quot;investors&quot; so money \
will<br> &gt; continue to flow to these people many years from now.<br>
<br>
I&#39;m sorry, I shouldn&#39;t be guessing about DCA.<br>
<br>
UniForums costs would be higher too - especially if including the cost<br>
of another ICANN round for a number of strings for &quot;africa&quot; variations<br>
- etc. There are also yearly fees for ICANN - etc.<br>
<br>
--<br>
   .   .       ___. .__         Posix Systems - (South) Africa<br>
  /| /|          / /__          <a href="mailto:mje@posix.co.za" \
target="_blank">mje@posix.co.za</a>   -   Mark J Elkins, Cisco CCIE<br> / |/ |ARK \_/ \
/__ LKINS   Tel: <a href="tel:%2B27%2012%20807%200590" value="+27128070590" \
target="_blank">+27 12 807 0590</a>   Cell: <a href="tel:%2B27%2082%20601%200496" \
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